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Old 11-09-2012, 11:31 AM   #76
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Also I don't know if you realize this but if you read my post and your post... You just agreed that Ricardo Lopez was the best fighter below 115.
I was referring to the Floyd part

Am I being completely unreasonable then? Or can you see where I'm coming from? Honest answer please
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Old 11-09-2012, 11:33 AM   #77
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I don't know what you're talking about. Wind you up? That's something I would never do. Its just clear that you refuse to see the greatness of Mayweather, making broad generalizations without looking at the evidence. To call Mitchell average is crazy; he beat both Rocky Lockridge and Bazooka Limon effortlessly. Plus Sharmba actually translates to 'he who is very very good'. Why do you hate Floyd do Flea? He brings nothing but joy to millions and has elevated boxing to sports entertainment. He's more ducked than all of Murderers Row combined. Look who ducked him: Tszyu, Paul Williams, Margarito, Pacquiao.

As for the thread Floyd UD 15 Robinson. Several posters have said they can't imagine Mayweather being knocked out because that's never happened before. Mayweather has never lost a fight so by that token I can't see him losing this one.
Shit I didn't see this

Love the references to Mitchell's wins over those two corpses as well
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Old 11-09-2012, 11:47 AM   #78
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It is kinda odd.that Floyd hasn't really beaten as diverse a group of styles as one would expect going through that many divisions. Do you think that was intentional or was it just a matter of timing? Im trying to think of a master boxer whom he could have fought and in drawing a blank. Cause, i'm all honesty Judah and Mitchell don't cut it.
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Old 11-09-2012, 11:52 AM   #79
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Probably a mix of both.

I think he gets too much of the benefit of the doubt. He would not look as frequently infallible as he had done...ugh I'm not going through this again you know where I stand
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Old 11-09-2012, 12:05 PM   #80
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I had it Floyd 114-112 and while I can see a draw I can't really see it for Castillo. Castillo was bloody good as well.
Same score, other guy. I gave rounds 1,2,4,7, and 11 to Floyd, the other 7 to Castillo. I remember quite a few close rounds, so I could definitely see a draw and probably a Floyd win at a push. Round 3 could have easily gone his way, I remember. Gave that to Castillo by the slimmest of margins.

I do think that, in general, Castillo won his rounds more handily. Watching it gave me the impression that he was the better fighter, honestly. Good on Floyd for settling that matter in the rematch. Good on him for digging deep when he had to the first time around, too. Castillo landed some heavy stuff here and there, and it seemed to be entirely his kind of fight from about the halfway mark on. Mayweather gutted it out and held his own the whole way through. Make no mistake, the guy's a fighter. He's a bit overrated for his tactical/technical brilliance, as you say, but a bit underrated for his heart and will. It's one of the more impressive things about him, I think.
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Old 11-09-2012, 01:05 PM   #81
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Check out the 'what fights did you watch today' thread I recently re-scored it. Had it a draw before. See what rounds we disagree on.

Could it be even I, the cynic, was bamboozled by Floyd's flash?
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Old 11-09-2012, 01:30 PM   #82
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This is a spite Thread and I actually like Floyd. Clear UD or KO for SRR
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Old 11-09-2012, 01:48 PM   #83
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It is kinda odd.that Floyd hasn't really beaten as diverse a group of styles as one would expect going through that many divisions. Do you think that was intentional or was it just a matter of timing? Im trying to think of a master boxer whom he could have fought and in drawing a blank. Cause, i'm all honesty Judah and Mitchell don't cut it.
I think it's partially both, as flea said. But at least some of the lack of diverse styles on his record is intentional. It's been done to death but he really could have fought better opposition, should have fought better opposition despite having a pretty damn solid resume.

at 140, he avoided EVERYONE. there are various sides to it but he avoid zoo, hatton and cotto at various points in their respective careers at that weight. he had every reason to move up to face kosta but said in an interview why bother, he already lost one fight.

at 147, he avoided EVERYONE. williams, margarito, cotto, pac, non-corpsey mosley, etc.

at 130 and 135 though he basically cleaned out the divisions. a fight with mosley would have been great but I'll blame timing on that. a fight with either morales or hamed would have been blasted for them being too small. below 140 is where his resume matters and it isn't all time great.

he didn't have a ton of master boxers to chose from either, you're right. nate campbell? meh.

mentioning judah though, i scored that fight WAY closer than many. i give him 4 or 5 rounds depending on my mood and I damn well scored a 10-8 round for judah for the knockdown. judah basically took at least 3 of the first 4, and i think the 11th. add in the knockdown and it's tighter than some scores indicate. and judah is neither great, nor anywhere near his best
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Old 11-09-2012, 01:54 PM   #84
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Check out the 'what fights did you watch today' thread I recently re-scored it. Had it a draw before. See what rounds we disagree on.

Could it be even I, the cynic, was bamboozled by Floyd's flash?
Perhaps it is I, the clever pactard in disguise, who just wants something with which I can discredit Floyd?
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Old 11-09-2012, 02:20 PM   #85
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Perhaps it is I, the clever pactard in disguise, who just wants something with which I can discredit Floyd?
You treat a sacred day like this to troll! It's your birthday, go outside
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Old 11-09-2012, 03:18 PM   #86
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You treat a sacred day like this to troll! It's your birthday, go outside
Shows what you know. It was my birthday. The night has passed.

I thought what we had was special!
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I feel bad now. Where da funk are you from mayne?
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Old 11-09-2012, 04:10 PM   #89
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I give up then.
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This thread got very awkward very quickly.
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