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Old 11-11-2012, 06:34 PM   #76
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The size difference in some of his early fights was ridiculous.

He never looked like a natural 140 pounder to me.

More like a natural welter fighting at lower weights.


His whole career he was kept light.

Except his ill advised 160lb tenture, how anybody ever thought he'd beat Hopkins is well and truely beyond me, he did however do better than Trinidad, due to his superior skill and trickery.
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Old 11-11-2012, 06:45 PM   #77
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Aaron,

There are maybe a few thousand people on the entire planet who care or even have the slightest clue about what's discussed on this forum. There are no grudges.
My point, exactly. I am not '****y'. Nothing I have said on this thread or the Pep one have been outrageously belligerent. You're in the wrong for bringing it up, poo poo head.
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Old 11-11-2012, 06:52 PM   #78
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I added to your thread from September on Sherdog.
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Old 11-11-2012, 06:57 PM   #79
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I added to your thread from September on Sherdog.
I don't even log in there anymore -- trolls galore.

But, again, you still brought it up.

EDIT: I checked the thread -- thanks for that. I'll give it a good read later.

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Old 11-11-2012, 07:32 PM   #80
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Not to go of topic but pep never beat a top 10 guy post Saddler.

Overall record against top 10 opposition: 27-8

Before Saddler: 24-1
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Old 11-11-2012, 07:47 PM   #81
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Not to go of topic but pep never beat a top 10 guy post Saddler.

Overall record against top 10 opposition: 27-8

Before Saddler: 24-1
You got Pep's 'stats'?

Ray Robinson's record against Top 10 opposition before comeback: 36-3-1
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Old 11-11-2012, 08:13 PM   #82
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I have it 37 wins but may have miscounted. Anyway he ended up with 44 which is the most I've seen with the exception of Archie Moore. Ray was a badass. I think there is one other guy over 40 but I can't remember.
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Old 11-11-2012, 08:23 PM   #83
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I have it 37 wins but may have miscounted. Anyway he ended up with 44 which is the most I've seen with the exception of Archie Moore. Ray was a badass. I think there is one other guy over 40 but I can't remember.
Whats Muhammad Ali's record against top 10 guys, i would be surprised if he beat more top 10 guys than Pep, considering Pep fought more.
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Old 11-11-2012, 08:26 PM   #84
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32-5 I think. Its one of the best out there. If you take out everything post Spinks: 31-2. Pep fought more but Ali had one of the deepest resumes in the history of boxing.
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32-5 is right, officially anyway. Joe Louis: 30-3.
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Old 11-11-2012, 08:49 PM   #86
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The only alterations I make on them is if say, Ray Robinson was the No. 1 rated welterweight (and he ain't getting a title shot, no way) and fought say Henry Armstrong, who was No. 3 - I'd bump Armstrong up to No. 2 on the grounds that Robinson can't fight himself now, can he? The champ isn't budging, and Armstrong is the 2nd highest rated guy he could possibly fight at the time.
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32-5 I think. Its one of the best out there. If you take out everything post Spinks: 31-2. Pep fought more but Ali had one of the deepest resumes in the history of boxing.
Is there a link you can send with more boxers' records against top-10 competition?
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Old 11-11-2012, 10:00 PM   #88
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Aaron, there's a few rare people that actually have collections of around 12,000+ magazines going to way back when that pegs exact ratings at the time of fights and as a result, a more detailed picture of things. I can't publically post my source because I don't want him to be bombarded, but I can give you all of the stuff I've got so far if you wanna hit me up.
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Old 11-11-2012, 10:02 PM   #89
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Aaron, there's a few rare people that actually have collections of around 12,000+ magazines going to way back when that pegs exact ratings at the time of fights and as a result, a more detailed picture of things. I can't publically post my source because I don't want him to be bombarded, but I can give you all of the stuff I've got so far if you wanna hit me up.
Thanks, sir. I'll send you a message.
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32-5 I think. Its one of the best out there. If you take out everything post Spinks: 31-2. Pep fought more but Ali had one of the deepest resumes in the history of boxing.
How about pernell whitaker and jose napoles? Man if they beat more top 10 guys than willie pep, it really makes pep look bad, considering he fought over 100 times.
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