Is De La Hoya overated? - Page 7

Hands of Iron · 11-11-2012, 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ushvinder

How about pernell whitaker and jose napoles? Man if they beat more top 10 guys than willie pep, it really makes pep look bad, considering he fought over 100 times.

Hands of Iron · 11-11-2012, 09:52 PM

Mayweather is 18-0.

TheSouthpaw · 11-11-2012, 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hands of Iron

Mayweather is 18-0.

And..

TheSouthpaw · 11-11-2012, 11:17 PM

[quote=LittleRed;14184531]Not to go of topic but pep never beat a top 10 guy post Saddler.

Overall record against top 10 opposition: 27-8

Before Saddler: 24-1[/quote

Sounds familiar.. Comin into his fight with Tito, DLH had faught 18 champions, who he either beat, or retained his title, to me thats phenomenal

TheSouthpaw · 11-11-2012, 11:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aaron Contreras

Is there a link you can send with more boxers' records against top-10 competition?

I can do that for you!...

TheSouthpaw · 11-11-2012, 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sweet_scientist

Forrest and Quartey are as good welterweights, and Wright is a better 154 fighter, but don't forget that DLH probably is probably a more natural 140 pounder.

At 140 pounds, I think DLH is better than all the guys I mentioned above in their best divisions.

Oscar rarely cleared the confusion from his big fights by offering rematches, which was kind of disappointing, but he did face a lot of quality guys regardless, stage managed as his career was.

Personally I'd call him great.

Not top 50 great, but great nonetheless.

If Ike is just of good as WW than any..Did why did DLH put him on his ass?..Quartey was good, but not that good.

TheSouthpaw · 11-11-2012, 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aaron Contreras

What we should remember is fighters who move up in weight (and maybe even lose) are defended to the death here at East Side (especially Greb, whether he deserves it or not).

I don't normally see the same for De La Hoya.

Ya..but we should see the same

TheSouthpaw · 11-11-2012, 11:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gesta

Hopkins is one of the best MW's ever , him top win at MW ? , Tito.

Who beat Tito first & at his better weight?

Which former SFW gave Hopkins (a former LHW) all he could handle for the first 8 rounds before being KO'd?

DLH had no business fighting Hopkins...KO'd by a body shot...Eeeeesh

TheSouthpaw · 11-11-2012, 11:34 PM

So some people have mentions rematches, here are some rematches that would have been nice to see and have no cue why these fights never took place.

Oscar vs Tito
Oscar vs Quartey
Oscar vs Mayweather..( Floyd would have beaten him again anyway )
Oscar vs Vargas
Oscar vs Mosley...( they should have fought one more time..why not?

PhillyPhan69 · 11-11-2012, 11:47 PM

Why don't you just make 1 stupid post, instead of spamming us with 10 responses to yourself...You have been here long enough to act like a semi-intelligent human being!

I am so sick and tired of you answering yourself and having a conversation with yourself.....

TheSouthpaw · 11-11-2012, 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PhillyPhan69

Why don't you just make 1 stupid post, instead of spamming us with 10 responses to yourself...You have been here long enough to act like a semi-intelligent human being!

I am so sick and tired of you answering yourself and having a conversation with yourself....

Im quoting on everyone elses responses, I didnt know it looks like im talkin to myself cause usually when you quote someone both post come up..I only made one real post on my own..so what am i doin wrong Philly..I see you do it all the time if your just quoting a comment so i gotta be doin something wrong my man...Sorry Dude

TheSouthpaw · 11-11-2012, 11:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PhillyPhan69

Why don't you just make 1 stupid post, instead of spamming us with 10 responses to yourself...You have been here long enough to act like a semi-intelligent human being!

I am so sick and tired of you answering yourself and having a conversation with yourself.....

And im not trying to have a conversation with myself, im trying to get responses from you guys..

LittleRed · 11-12-2012, 12:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aaron Contreras

Is there a link you can send with more boxers' records against top-10 competition?

I do it by hand.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hands of Iron

Aaron, there's a few rare people that actually have collections of around 12,000+ magazines going to way back when that pegs exact ratings at the time of fights and as a result, a more detailed picture of things. I can't publically post my source because I don't want him to be bombarded, but I can give you all of the stuff I've got so far if you wanna hit me up.

And not that way either. My old copy of the boxing register lists whether or not you were top 10 or a champion when you fought them.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ushvinder

How about pernell whitaker and jose napoles? Man if they beat more top 10 guys than willie pep, it really makes pep look bad, considering he fought over 100 times.

Napoles was 23-4. I don't have Whitaker handy. Honestly those numbers don't tell the whole story as there were almost half as many divisions as well as the fact that pep (and guys like him) fought scads of guys who were just out of the top 10 or damned good. Anything above 20 is pretty deep. 30 and.above is simply fantastic. 40 is jaw dropping.

LittleRed · 11-12-2012, 12:11 AM

Ezzard Charles was 40-17-1. Before losing to Walcott he was 30-5-1.

Hands of Iron · 11-12-2012, 12:12 AM

Ah yeah, I've heard the register has a feature like that contained in it. I've got a source that actually has all of the monthly's and pegs by exact rating at the time.

Here's Ray Leonard, for example:

1978: Floyd Mayweather, Sr (No. 6 WW)
~ Ray enters WW ranks at No. 8 ~
1978: Randy Shields (No. 4 WW)
1979: Johnny Gant (No. 4 WW)
1979: Adolfo Viruet (No. 8 JWW) @ 147
1979: Tony Chiaverini (No. 4 JMW) @ 154
1979: Pete Ranzany (No. 5 WW)
1979: Andy Price (No. 8 WW)
1979: Wilfred Benitez (World WW Champion)
1980: Dave "Boy" Green (No. 7 WW)
1980: Roberto Duran (No. 2 WW) - LOSS
1980: Roberto Duran (World WW Champion)
1981: Larry Bonds (No. 15 WW) <-- they did Top 15 then
1981: Ayub Kalule (World LMW Champion)
1981: Thomas Hearns (No. 1 WW, Titlist)
1982: Bruce Finch (No. 6 WW)
1984: Kevin Howard (No. 15 WW)
1987: Marvin Hagler (World MW Champion)
1988: Donny Lalonde (No. 4 LHW) @ 168
1989: Thomas Hearns (No. 5 SMW) - DRAW
1989: Roberto Duran (No. 2 MW)
1991: Terry Norris (No. 1 JMW)

#2 Welterweight of All-Time.

11-11-2012, 09:52 PM	#92
Hands of Iron Puncher's Chance East Side Guru Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Arizona / Michoacan Posts: 7,331 vCash: 1141	Re: Is De La Hoya overated? Mayweather is 18-0.
Top

11-11-2012, 11:17 PM	#94
TheSouthpaw Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: St. Louis Posts: 2,915 vCash: 500	Re: Is De La Hoya overated? [quote=LittleRed;14184531]Not to go of topic but pep never beat a top 10 guy post Saddler. Overall record against top 10 opposition: 27-8 Before Saddler: 24-1[/quote Sounds familiar.. Comin into his fight with Tito, DLH had faught 18 champions, who he either beat, or retained his title, to me thats phenomenal
Top

11-11-2012, 11:34 PM	#99
TheSouthpaw Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: St. Louis Posts: 2,915 vCash: 500	Re: Is De La Hoya overated? So some people have mentions rematches, here are some rematches that would have been nice to see and have no cue why these fights never took place. Oscar vs Tito Oscar vs Quartey Oscar vs Mayweather..( Floyd would have beaten him again anyway ) Oscar vs Vargas Oscar vs Mosley...( they should have fought one more time..why not?
Top

11-11-2012, 11:47 PM	#100
PhillyPhan69 Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Salisbury, MD Posts: 3,651 vCash: 1000	Re: Is De La Hoya overated? Why don't you just make 1 stupid post, instead of spamming us with 10 responses to yourself...You have been here long enough to act like a semi-intelligent human being! I am so sick and tired of you answering yourself and having a conversation with yourself.....
Top

11-12-2012, 12:11 AM	#104
LittleRed Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Yoknapatawpha Posts: 2,581 vCash: 475	Re: Is De La Hoya overated? Ezzard Charles was 40-17-1. Before losing to Walcott he was 30-5-1.
Top

11-12-2012, 12:12 AM	#105
Hands of Iron Puncher's Chance East Side Guru Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Arizona / Michoacan Posts: 7,331 vCash: 1141	Re: Is De La Hoya overated? Ah yeah, I've heard the register has a feature like that contained in it. I've got a source that actually has all of the monthly's and pegs by exact rating at the time. Here's Ray Leonard, for example: 1978: Floyd Mayweather, Sr (No. 6 WW) ~ Ray enters WW ranks at No. 8 ~ 1978: Randy Shields (No. 4 WW) 1979: Johnny Gant (No. 4 WW) 1979: Adolfo Viruet (No. 8 JWW) @ 147 1979: Tony Chiaverini (No. 4 JMW) @ 154 1979: Pete Ranzany (No. 5 WW) 1979: Andy Price (No. 8 WW) 1979: Wilfred Benitez (World WW Champion) 1980: Dave "Boy" Green (No. 7 WW) 1980: Roberto Duran (No. 2 WW) - LOSS 1980: Roberto Duran (World WW Champion) 1981: Larry Bonds (No. 15 WW) <-- they did Top 15 then 1981: Ayub Kalule (World LMW Champion) 1981: Thomas Hearns (No. 1 WW, Titlist) 1982: Bruce Finch (No. 6 WW) 1984: Kevin Howard (No. 15 WW) 1987: Marvin Hagler (World MW Champion) 1988: Donny Lalonde (No. 4 LHW) @ 168 1989: Thomas Hearns (No. 5 SMW) - DRAW 1989: Roberto Duran (No. 2 MW) 1991: Terry Norris (No. 1 JMW) #2 Welterweight of All-Time.
Top