UFC on Fuel: Cung Le vs Rich Franklin RBR & Discussion w/spoilers

[Canibus81]

Originally Posted by sugarngold

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It looks just like the JKD flick Jab the way he threw it. But the flick jab is even more deceptive and powerful. I'd like to see him get a rematch with Wanderlei Silva. He was actually doing good in that fight until he started fading.

[Canibus81]

Originally Posted by Aaron Contreras

Okay, it was from the kick that Franklin put his hands down (which we all know, you're not suppose to do), so what difference does it make?

Bottom line, his hands were suppose to be up -- it's not like he was suspicious of a takedown.

It's called habits, and you only develop habits if no one gets on you about it. And most guys who throw a low Muay Thai kick drop thier hands because their trying to put too much mustard behind the kick. That's one of the reason why I don't like Muay Thai kicks, because even though it can be powerful, it's too predictable and not fluid enough, that's why he got timed and it was by someone who's more fluid than he is.

[Canibus81]

Originally Posted by Canibus81

It looks just like the JKD flick Jab the way he threw it. But the flick jab is even more deceptive and powerful. I'd like to see him get a rematch with Wanderlei Silva. He was actually doing good in that fight until he started fading.

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[Aaron Contreras]

Originally Posted by Canibus81

It's called habits, and you only develop habits if no one gets on you about it. And most guys who throw a low Muay Thai kick drop thier hands because their trying to put too much mustard behind the kick. That's one of the reason why I don't like Muay Thai kicks, because even though it can be powerful, it's too predictable and not fluid enough, that's why he got timed and it was by someone who's more fluid than he is.

I really don't mean to take anything away from Le, my apologies if it's coming out that way. We all know he held the advantage in the striking department.

But it still doesn't take away from how horrible that sequence was from Franklin.

[PIRA]

Originally Posted by Joe.Boxer

mmGaY standup in one hilarious nutshell - fat old short plodder scores a spectacular wide loopy ass one punch ktfo because his opponent girly-flails then drops his left to ****-level whilst reaching for the stars with his glass chin. Joke sport.

What the **** are you doing here attention whore if you don't like the sport?

Troll reported and hopefully banned from MMA forum.

[Joe.Boxer]

Originally Posted by PIRA

What the **** are you doing here attention whore if you don't like the sport?

Troll reported and hopefully banned from MMA forum.

What a snitch. I got a pm from Matty because of your whining you *****. I do like the sport, but if you can't handle the truth about ufc fighters' standup, maybe you should stay out of this forum.

[PIRA]

Originally Posted by Joe.Boxer

What a snitch. I got a pm from Matty because of your whining you *****. I do like the sport, but if you can't handle the truth about ufc fighters' standup, maybe you should stay out of this forum.

Great job mods.

Don't backpedal now and say you like the sport - your post history on this forum is a joke.
And faggot a "*****" would do it behind your back instead of calling your punk arse right out. Get yourself into a MMA gym and get that stupidity elbow ****ed out of your head instead of trolling the MMA forum. **** off back to the lounge you clown.

[Gander Tasco]

Originally Posted by Canibus81

It looks just like the JKD flick Jab the way he threw it. But the flick jab is even more deceptive and powerful. I'd like to see him get a rematch with Wanderlei Silva. He was actually doing good in that fight until he started fading.

It was a right hook. He tried to time that punch a bunch of times before the KO.

He was actaully owning Wanderlei if my memory serves me correct, until he got caught and taken out.

[achillesthegreat]

Awesome finish. Cung Le was clearly a more refined striker, the block, the counter, the accuracy, the positioning, covering the distance and keeping his eyes on the prize the whole time. Cung Le isn't flawless but Franklin was sloppy as hell. Great stuff and now he is in the mix. One or two more wins and he could get a title shot. Silva 2 would be great.

[Joe.Boxer]

Originally Posted by PIRA

Great job mods.

Don't backpedal now and say you like the sport - your post history on this forum is a joke.
And faggot a "*****" would do it behind your back instead of calling your punk arse right out. Get yourself into a MMA gym and get that stupidity elbow ****ed out of your head instead of trolling the MMA forum. **** off back to the lounge you clown.

If I wanted to improve my standup, an mma gym is the last place I'd go to .

And if I didn't like the sport I wouldn't have followed it for the past 15 years. It doesn't change the fact that it's still a joke sport.

You just can't handle the truth!

Snitch mother****er.

Sussed!

[PIRA]

Originally Posted by Joe.Boxer

If I wanted to improve my standup, an mma gym is the last place I'd go to .

And if I didn't like the sport I wouldn't have followed it for the past 15 years. It doesn't change the fact that it's still a joke sport.

You just can't handle the truth!

Snitch mother****er.

Sussed!

15 years and the best this cunt has got is "MMA gay....blah,blah,blah". Must have followed it as a foetus "cause this girl is nothing more than a teenage bitch.

Improve your standup and haul your bitch arse out of the armchair and into the kitchen. Or sit back on your lounge and **** off back to the lounge forum where you belong.

[Joe.Boxer]

Originally Posted by PIRA

15 years and the best this cunt has got is "MMA gay....blah,blah,blah". Must have followed it as a foetus "cause this girl is nothing more than a teenage bitch.

Improve your standup and haul your bitch arse out of the armchair and into the kitchen. Or sit back on your lounge and **** off back to the lounge forum where you belong.

You're the fan of girl-like standup . You belong on the Netball team, ya flailing squat-pissin' sissy!

[boranbkk]

Originally Posted by Aaron Contreras

Okay, it was from the kick that Franklin put his hands down (which we all know, you're not suppose to do), so what difference does it make?

Bottom line, his hands were suppose to be up -- it's not like he was suspicious of a takedown.

It’s funny how guys can be so convinced they’re right but yet be so wrong!

You always drop your hand on the side you’re kicking at point of impact with any Muay Thai round kick it’s crucial to the natural fluidity of the kick and hence the subsequent power it generates! Don’t just take my word for it here’s current top flight Thai fighter Pornsaneh Sitmonchai and all round Thai baddass famed for his devastating low kicks showing how it should be done!

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The whole chain of events was started by Franklin throwing a poor quality Thai type low kick with his power leg to Le’s lead leg, in reality he probably should have chosen to throw his own lead leg to the inside of Le’s lead leg, which would have spun or “pushed” Le’s lead leg away and from under him from him and hence unbalanced Le who was clearly setting himself to throw power shots, as can be seen by Le having 50% of his weight on his lead leg. However, throwing an effective lead round kick correctly is a more technically difficult kick which Franklin may not have felt comfortable with against an experienced striker such as Cung. Hindsight eh!

The problem was he showed bad technique from the get go, he didn’t commit with his hips and hence was leaning slightly backward and upright too much with his head behind the centre of gravity in his hips rather than over and ahead of them which stopped him from turning his hip into the kick, generating power and keeping him low with his chin tucked behind his shoulder. Cos he didn’t commit he “snatched” the kick, his shoulder was already returning back leaving him in a very exposed up right position almost before the kick landed. You constantly see that kind of panicky uncommitted low kick snatch with MMA fighters due to them being understandably very wary of take downs and being constantly drilled as such, but that’s only to be expected as it seems a lot of guys in MMA don’t actually come from deep striking backgrounds and are legitimately worried about being taken to the mat off a badly timed or unbalanced strike.

And remember he was fighting an experienced striking veteran Cung, who was very comfortable walking into “fire” as opposed to many MMA fighters who tend to “bounce” back from “fire”. Lucky punch maybe in terms of accuracy & timing but Cung was looking for a headshot that’s why he braced the kick and walked in.

[boranbkk]

Originally Posted by Canibus81

It's called habits, and you only develop habits if no one gets on you about it. And most guys who throw a low Muay Thai kick drop thier hands because their trying to put too much mustard behind the kick. That's one of the reason why I don't like Muay Thai kicks, because even though it can be powerful, it's too predictable and not fluid enough, that's why he got timed and it was by someone who's more fluid than he is.

Canibus, we've been here before haven't we? It's the most fluid effective kick in all the combat world that's why it's become the round kick of choice to all full contact combat fighters the world over! The proof of it's unrestricted fluidity is its power..........

Even your guru Bruce after filming Big Boss man in Thailand took note of it. He writes a pargraph or two about its fluid mechanics in the Tao of JKD!

Originally Posted by Joe.Boxer

You're the fan of girl-like standup . You belong on the Netball team, ya flailing squat-pissin' sissy!

As your such an experienced "observer" of the sport I've got two words for you "**** Off"..ohhppss, not those two words I meant these 2 " Ramba Somdet" , infact I've got 6 words for you " Ramba Somdet & Yodsanan Sor Nanthachai" ...... If you doubt their god like striking capabilities then you should be banned for life from any MMA forum now and in your undoubtless many reincarnations !

Oh, and by the way the guy you say is a fan of "girl-like standup" PIRA has been invloved in Muay Thai & Kickboxing for over 25 years!! (I think it's actaully longer right?).

[boranbkk]

PIRA, welcome back.

Missed your unique brand of direct calrity on the website mate!