the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

[Nightcrawler]

Kalambay/McCallum 1

I've wanted to watch this for AGES and never got around to it until today. I'll start by saying I don't know a lot about Kalambay. I know his record, I've watched a bit of him but this was very eye opening for me. What a mover. The jab, the combinations, the pacing were near flawless. I can honestly say I can't recall a time when a fighter kept someone of McCallum's level at the exact distance he wanted him for a full 12 rounds. McCallum could do NOTHING and in many rounds he landed in the single digits.

Round by Round:
Kalambay McCallum
10 9
10 9
9 10 (close but I'll give him this one)
10 9
10 9
10 9
10 9
10 9
10 9
10 9
10 9
10 9

119-109

This was a masterclass against a HOF level opponent. The commentary seemed to state that McCallum was probably a bit old, past prime and rusty. Considering his career and level of performance after this fight, I say he just got dominated by the most underrated middleweight champ of the last 40 years

[Flea Man]

Originally Posted by Nightcrawler

Kalambay/McCallum 1

I've wanted to watch this for AGES and never got around to it until today. I'll start by saying I don't know a lot about Kalambay. I know his record, I've watched a bit of him but this was very eye opening for me. What a mover. The jab, the combinations, the pacing were near flawless. I can honestly say I can't recall a time when a fighter kept someone of McCallum's level at the exact distance he wanted him for a full 12 rounds. McCallum could do NOTHING and in many rounds he landed in the single digits.

Round by Round:
Kalambay McCallum
10 9
10 9
9 10 (close but I'll give him this one)
10 9
10 9
10 9
10 9
10 9
10 9
10 9
10 9
10 9

119-109

This was a masterclass against a HOF level opponent. The commentary seemed to state that McCallum was probably a bit old, past prime and rusty. Considering his career and level of performance after this fight, I say he just got dominated by the most underrated middleweight champ of the last 40 years

Pretty much agree with all of this.

As for Sumbu, if he'd beaten Nunn he might not have been so underrated

[Nightcrawler]

Originally Posted by Flea Man

Pretty much agree with all of this.

As for Sumbu, if he'd beaten Nunn he might not have been so underrated

probably not. fucking nunn...

[Nightcrawler]

Another weed induced scoring session! This is another fight I should've but didn't watch sooner. Benitez is a pleasure to watch, in a similar way as donald curry. Anyhoo, today I scored Benitez-Duran. Was I just high or too hard on Roberto here...

BENITEZ DURAN
10 9
10 9
10 9
10 9 (nice chopping right at end by duran by that's about it)
10 9 (combos almost at will by benitez)
10 9 (radar slipping and become the aggressor, nice right/left by duran at end)
9 10 (duran able to corner, lead rights sharp, benitez consistently fights back)
10 9 (commanding jab from benitez, best i've seen from him, mixes left hooks well)
10 9 (some strong punches from benitez landed more and dictated pace)
10 9
10 9(benitez tries to pressure duran but it seems foreign to him, crisper shots)
10 9 (benitez's body work wins him the round)
10 9 (Duran trying to feint his way in scores some to the head and body,
10 9 bentiez far too quick at distance)
10 9

149 136

The scores of 144-142 or so seemed WAAAAY too close for my liking. fun fight with some tremendous movement and body work by the ever talented benitez

[Boxed Ears]

My score card for Marty/Lara: openyoureyesharold - 2 or something. I don't know. Whatever. That was ...ugh.

[Nightcrawler]

Originally Posted by Boxed Ears

My score card for Marty/Lara: openyoureyesharold - 2 or something. I don't know. Whatever. That was ...ugh.

can't wait to watch it and check out harold's "card" (which as the years go by appears more like a doodle he made out of mustard on a discarded napkin that lampley is trying to pass off as analysis)

[Boxed Ears]

I've just seen Volo/Wach. People's tendency to overdramatise is neat. There were three sentiments I was coming across before watching it, during the round-by-round and post-fight that seemed very interesting.

1. Volo was so much more quick-starting and aggressive than usual that he was dang-near burning himself out like young Volo against Puritty.

2. Volo was badly hurt by a Wach bomb and saved by the bell, in big trouble, getting battered on the ropes!

3. Wach was terrorised so badly that there could've been multiple 10/8 rounds. It was a horrific nightmare of brutality.

Well, my take:

1. Klitschko did unleash faster and more than usual. But, no, he wasn't fighting at a crazy pace or swinging for the fences with each shot or even slightly looking like he couldn't keep up with his own pace. Not at all. Before watching I was wondering if he was maybe a bit wild because he wanted a kayo in tribute to Manny. Truthfully, this was just a higher activity Volo who was still professionally cautious and minding his gas tank. (The ref should mind the Volo stiff-arming, but if I could get away with it, I would too-it's effective)

A good performance with some drive against a limited but highly tough guy. It wasn't like the old days though. He didn't put on a striking display of offence like against Mercer and Schulz, before going defensive. I didn't think this was really that big of a departure from recent form. I wasn't bored. But, I wasn't excited either.

2. This is like when Lennox was nearly destroyed aka a little stunned but completely in control against Briggs, except Wach was much less effective than even Briggs in capitalising, as I remember it. I don't think Wach landed one good punch after initially catching Volo and I don't think Volo was particularly stunned either. Did he get caught on the ropes a bit? Yes. That was unusual. Did he hang on hard? Yes, but, he does that when nobody punches him at all too. That doesn't really mean much. He's one of very few serious punchers that's also a defensive spoiler. There was nothing to really make of it, anyway, that I could tell.

3. 1 round. 1 round was arguably a fair 10/8 round, but I'll admit, Wach did get laid into a few times in ways that I'm quite surprised didn't take him off his feet or make him jelly-legged. Maybe people are making too much of the chin talk but that was some impressive durability, there. He got pretty mashed up throughout that round by a legit kayo-puncher. I still think the calls that it must be stopped were a bit melodramatic. I thought that with Cobb/Holmes too. Melodramatic Howard.

Anyway, a good showing from a long-reigning champ against a voluntary 0-record with slow hands and novelty size. 12-0. No, I didn't give him the one round he landed a visibly big shot. It was a little modern day Holmes/Cobb-like. Not bang on, but it bore enough similarity. Maloney is pretty disgusting as a person.

Originally Posted by Nightcrawler

can't wait to watch it and check out harold's "card" (which as the years go by appears more like a doodle he made out of mustard on a discarded napkin that lampley is trying to pass off as analysis)

Signaturian, my man. Positively signaturian. I like Harold. He's a fun guy. His cards often have no rhyme or reason as far as keeping with any pattern or anything that makes any sense but I like him. Jim!

[Flea Man]

I gave Wlad a couple of 10-8s.

Didn't Briggs hurt Lennox at the beginning of the 2nd as well? Either way, Lennox was in far worse trouble. Wlad was fine, hence why he slipped all of Wach's follow up shots and managed to grab on.

[Boxed Ears]

What besides the eighth was a 10/8, you figure? My criteria is if I can't at least make a case for a standing eight count being imposed within the round (if it were a fight with that rule enforced), I don't do 10/8 on my own card. Yeah, Briggs hurt Lennox a little bit, from what I remember, sure, but he was nearly bowling him off balance charging after and it made it look like Lennox was far worse off than I thought he actually was. I thought he was in complete control of his senses, as Volo was. Granted, I've not seen that match in a while. Maybe I remember it differently. Time plays tricks on you.

[Flea Man]

Only think he was in more distress than Wlad(admittedly against a better fighter than Wach in every way but stamina) but I give a 10-8 if one guy is getting battered and lands NOTHING in return.

A few rounds like that. Maybe the 1st as well.

[Nightcrawler]

10-8 rounds are REALLY subjective but i still like using them from time to time. think i scored two, no-knockdown rounds in gatti-mayweather 10-8 for instance

[frankenfrank]

Riddick Bowe vs Tony Tubbs , Andrezj Golota #1 , Andrezj Golota #2 .

Bowe did not seem like a world beater in any of them , but :
1) he did deserve de decision over Tubbs although it was close .
2) de 1st Golota fight was very competitive , de 2nd 1 less , but still not what de legends about them tell .

Golota #2 consisted of :
3 pt deductions , Bowe down 2 times , Golota down 1ce .
Bowe possibly broke Golota's jaw in it .
Golota suffered cuts both on his chin and above his i .
How a fighter gets cut quite badly and gets his s floored in a fight that he wins so lopsidedly ?


Regarding Golota vs Bowe #1 :
1) Golota was jobbed by having de fight rescheduled from de agreed 10 rds 2 12 rds instead .
2) Golota was jobbed by having Bowe using a different set of gloves than his (Golota's were conventional) .
3) Bowe did not fight a perfect clean fight himself , he did rabbit punch .

These fights make me think that Lewis > Bowe indeed . As 4 who would have won between them i still do not know .

McCall would have KOd Bowe just like I thought b4 .
Bowe seemed 2b able 2 take punishment without going down , and when he did (3 times in his career , i believe) he got back up and fought .
I really doubt that he could have beaten Vitali .
Golota was tougher than Wladimir .

[Lester1583]

Laciar - Mathebula is the greatest midget staredown ever

Laciar displayed tyson-like defense in the 2nd round.

Nice awkward looping right by Laciar - classic argentinian style.

Laciar mcclellan'd poor Mathebula out of the ring in the 4th round but corrupt referee saved him.

But he only prolonged Mathebula's suffering.

Merciless Laciar simply knocked Mathebula to the ground, trampled on him and made him beg for mercy.

Good performance by young Laciar.

[lufcrazy]

Been trying to get all my fight results in one place from controversial fights I've seen.

Probably loads I've forgotten but these are the ones I've been able to find. I need to keep better track of these things!


.........

Ali L15 Norton (clear)
Alexander L12 Kotelnik (close)
Alexander L12 Matthyse (close)
Antuofermo L15 Hagler (close)
Barrera L12 Morales 2 (clear)
Barrera L12 Marquez (close)
Bowe D12 Holyfield 2
Byrd W12 oquendo (close)
Byrd D12 Golota
Byrd W12 McCline (close)
Castillo L12 Mayweather (close)
Darchinyan W12 Mares (close)
De la hoya W12 Mosley 2 (close)
De la hoya W12 Trinidad (clear)
De la hoya L12 Sturm (clear)
Diaz L12 Malignaggi (clear)
Esparagoza L12 Villasana (close)
Foreman W12 Briggs (close)
Foreman L12 Schulz (clear)
Foster L15 Ahumada (close)
Froch D12 Kessler
Froch W12 Dirrell (close)
Hagler L12 (clear)
Holmes W12 Spoon (close)
Holyfield L12 Lewis 1 (clear)
Holyfield L12 Ruiz1 (close)
Holyfield W12 Moorer (close)
Hopkins L12 Taylor 1 (close)
Hopkins W12 Mercado (clear)
Hopkins L12 Calzaghe (close)
Huck D12 Afolabi 1
Huck D12 Afolabi 2
Huck D12 Arslan
Huck W12 Lebedev (close)
Judah L12 Matthyse (close)
Leonard L12 Hearns 2 (clear)
Maidana L12 Morales (close)
Martinez W12 Cintron (clear)
Martinez W12 Williams 1 (close)
Marquez W12 John (close)
Marquez W12 Pac 1 (close)
Marquez W12 Pac 2 (close)
Morales L12 Barrera 1 (clear)
Morales L12 Barrera 3 (close)
Morales W12 Diaz (close)
Norwood L12 Marquez (clear)
Ottke L12 Reid (close)
Ottke L12 Mitchell (close)
Pacquiao L12 Marquez 3 (close)
Pacquiao W12 Bradley (close)
Pascal L12 Hopkins 1 (clear)
Peter L12 Toney 1 (close)
Povetkin L12 Huck (clear)
Ramirez L12 Whittaker 1 (clear)
Rosario W12 Camacho (close)
Ruiz W12 holyfield 3 (close)
Ruiz W12 Valuev 1 (close)
Ruiz L12 Golota (clear)
Shibata L15 Marcel (clear)
Spinks L15 Holmes 2 (close)
Tarver W12 Johnson 1 (close)
Taylor D12 Hopkins 2
Toney L12 Tiberi (clear)
Toney L12 McCallum 1 (close)
Toney L12 McCallum 2 (close)
Toney W12 Johnson (close)
Tua L12 Rahman 2 (close)
Valuev L12 Holyfield (close)
Whittaker W12 Chavez (clear)
Whittaker L12 De La Hoya (close)
Williams L12 Lara (clear)
Wright W12 Vargas (close)

[lufcrazy]

as a disclaimer I've just put that list together now based on past socrecards I've found. If any results seem madly out of place that's probably due to a typo, same wth the fight distance I could have cocked up a couple of them also.