Fat Dan: Wlad "one of the greatest heavyweight champions in history"

[richie leon]

I am not a fan of Wladimir Klitschko, to be honest. I'm not overly interested in watching his fights and i like my boxers a little more rough and gruff.

But the fact is, nobody who knows boxing gives any heavyweight contender in the world a serious chance of beating him, or even of competing with him, really. And it's been that way for a few years now. That's as dominant as dominant gets.

Also, going back to his second fight with Chris Byrd, he is now 12 or 13 title defenses and 6,5 years into his reign, making him the longest reigning HW champ this side of Joe Louis and Larry Holmes.

Ofcourse there will always be those who say the heavyweights are shit nowadays and there aren't any worthwile contenders. But what boxing fan would say that, for example, Haye-Adamek or Pulev-Povetkin wouldn't be compelling fights between quality fighters?
I wouldn't say that, because it's just not true. Granted, these guys are not Joe Frazier or Evander Holyfield, but they are quality fighters. Against Klitschko however, they wouldn't stand a chance, and that's down to his quality as a champion. The proof is in the pudding!

[Slothrop]

Originally Posted by richie leon

I am not a fan of Wladimir Klitschko, to be honest. I'm not overly interested in watching his fights and i like my boxers a little more rough and gruff.

But the fact is, nobody who knows boxing gives any heavyweight contender in the world a serious chance of beating him, or even of competing with him, really. And it's been that way for a few years now. That's as dominant as dominant gets.

Also, going back to his second fight with Chris Byrd, he is now 12 or 13 title defenses and 6,5 years into his reign, making him the longest reigning HW champ this side of Joe Louis and Larry Holmes.

Ofcourse there will always be those who say the heavyweights are shit nowadays and there aren't any worthwile contenders. But what boxing fan would say that, for example, Haye-Adamek or Pulev-Povetkin wouldn't be compelling fights between quality fighters?
I wouldn't say that, because it's just not true. Granted, these guys are not Joe Frazier or Evander Holyfield, but they are quality fighters. Against Klitschko however, they wouldn't stand a chance, and that's down to his quality as a champion. The proof is in the pudding!

True. And I've said before that this heavyweight era, although weak compared with other eras, would look a lot stronger if the Klits hadn't dominated it completely.

[finley]

Originally Posted by Dorfmeister

Wlad is for real and one of the best Heavyweight Champions in history. Only that he never had BIG names on his resumé like Lewis, Tyson and Holyfield had.

To be fair it does kind of fuck it for him.

He will always be an unknown quantity.

[gobblock]

Originally Posted by Dorfmeister

Wlad is for real and one of the best Heavyweight Champions in history. Only that he never had BIG names on his resumé like Lewis, Tyson and Holyfield had.

A large part of that is due to the fact that Wlad hasn't allowed anyone to get "big."

[Dan-Vano]

Originally Posted by theboss

Who in the top ten has done more ?

Louis
Ali
Jack Johnson
Lennox Lewis
Holmes
Foreman
Marciano
Fraizer
Holyfield
Tyson

All those achieved more in my opinion. Liston, Jersey Joe, and Ezzard Charles would also be ahead of him on my list. Still a phenominal fighter, and ranks very highly even tho his career isn't over

[jakelamotta]

Wlad Klitschko's 13 consecutive title defenses (during his second title reign; he made five others in his first reign before losing to Corrie Sanders) are third-best all-time. Only Joe Louis (25) and Larry Holmes (20) made more.

Wlad Klitschko's current reign is going on seven years and will soon be the second-longest reign ever, behind only Louis' 11 years, 8 months and 8 days.

[chitownfightfan]

Originally Posted by Dorfmeister

Wlad is for real and one of the best Heavyweight Champions in history. Only that he never had BIG names on his resumé like Lewis, Tyson and Holyfield had.

Because he and his brother so thoroughly dominated the rest of the feild that no toher fighter could emerge to look nearly as good as say a Bowe, a Tua, or a Holmes.

[Garrus]

I like using him on Fight Night.

[Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Garrus

I like using him on Fight Night.

Yo dude, that chick's tit is hangin' out.

[JAB5239]

Originally Posted by Slothrop

Wlad wasn't in his prime when his losses occurred. A colorable argument can be made that he was in his prime against Brewster, but it looks like he really came into it afterward, once he perfected his style. Lewis on the other hand...

He was 24-0 against Puritty, 40-1 against Sanders and 42-2 against Brewster as well as having fought world class fighters and having a world class amateur background. If he wasn't prime (and he was) than how do you justify everyone calling for him to fight Pulev, Arreola, Price, Mitchell etc.? Shouldn't these fighters be allowed to develop the way he did if he if fact was not prime?

[gobblock]

Originally Posted by JAB5239

He was 24-0 against Puritty, 40-1 against Sanders and 42-2 against Brewster as well as having fought world class fighters and having a world class amateur background. If he wasn't prime (and he was) than how do you justify everyone calling for him to fight Pulev, Arreola, Price, Mitchell etc.? Shouldn't these fighters be allowed to develop the way he did if he if fact was not prime?

Prime isn't just condition and strength but also tactical know-how and the ability to cope with pressure and stress. Prime Wlad emerged from the first Samuel Peter fight.

[bjl12]

Originally Posted by finley

Fat Dan is such a massive bellend I just can't bring myself to agree with anything that falls out if his fat cunt mouth.

i literally laughed out loud

[bjl12]

Originally Posted by Dan-Vano

Louis
Ali
Jack Johnson
Lennox Lewis
Holmes
Foreman
Marciano
Fraizer
Holyfield
Tyson

All those achieved more in my opinion. Liston, Jersey Joe, and Ezzard Charles would also be ahead of him on my list. Still a phenominal fighter, and ranks very highly even tho his career isn't over

The sad/unfair part for Wlad is that there's literally nothing else he can do to improve his legacy. There are no other heavyweights that remotely threaten him considering he's retiring in the next couple of years. Who could he fight that would add to his ATG ranking?

I can't think of one fighter

[JAB5239]

Originally Posted by gobblock

Prime isn't just condition and strength but also tactical know-how and the ability to cope with pressure and stress. Prime Wlad emerged from the first Samuel Peter fight.

So how do Klitschko fans justify this question?

If he wasn't prime (and he was) than how do you justify everyone calling for him to fight Pulev, Arreola, Price, Mitchell, Fury etc.? Shouldn't these fighters be allowed to develop the way he did if he if fact was not prime?

[Manning]

Originally Posted by bjl12

The sad/unfair part for Wlad is that there's literally nothing else he can do to improve his legacy. There are no other heavyweights that remotely threaten him considering he's retiring in the next couple of years. Who could he fight that would add to his ATG ranking?

I can't think of one fighter

Then you're not thinking very hard.