How highly would you rate Carlos Monzon's middleweight reign?

orriray59 · 11-13-2012, 02:39 PM

Once he grabbed the titles from Nino Benvenuti in 1970 in a cracking fight, he went on to defend the title's numerous times.

He lost the WBC middleweight belt by facing Jose Napoles rather than Rodrigo Valdez, however, he went on to beat Valdez twice. He consistently defended against stellar opposition and didn't lose a fight in that period. He fought and beat the likes of Emile Griffith, Rodrigo Valdez, Bennie Briscoe, Nino Benvenuti, Denny Moyer, etc.

Of course you'd be insane to not rate this reign of dominance quite highly, but what's your personal opinion on this? Do you think there was ever a middleweight reign greater?

Thoughts?

Hands of Iron · 11-13-2012, 02:43 PM

Best middleweight reign ever.

orriray59 · 11-13-2012, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Hands of Iron

Best middleweight reign ever.

How would you rank it amongst the all-time reigns that you know of?

Hands of Iron · 11-13-2012, 02:52 PM

Up there with Benny Leonard and Joe Louis.

anj · 11-13-2012, 02:53 PM

Mindblowing. I probably have this guy in my top 15-20 all time, maybe better but I cba thinking about it.

I put him above Marvin Hagler.

Richel Hersisia · 11-13-2012, 02:56 PM

yeah best MW reign ever.. Hagler's isn't far behind tho

orriray59 · 11-13-2012, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by anj

Mindblowing. I probably have this guy in my top 15-20 all time, maybe better but I cba thinking about it.

I put him above Marvin Hagler.

I wouldn't rate Monzon that highly, although he was definitely a fantastic fighter.

I love his consistency the most, though. Regularly fought top opposition and won each time out.

orriray59 · 11-13-2012, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Richel Hersisia

yeah best MW reign ever.. Hagler's isn't far behind tho

As a matter of interest, who would you rank as the GOAT at middleweight? Greb, Hagler, Monzon and Robinson appear to be four primary candidates for this position.

salsanchezfan · 11-13-2012, 02:58 PM

Well, I'm not sure...........I mean, he didn't even fight Robert Allen once.

Hands of Iron · 11-13-2012, 03:00 PM

Regularly fought top 3ish opposition. He didn't pick from the bottom half of the division like Holmes often times would. Everything was top notch to what was available to him, same with Napoles and Gavilan, Hagler.

orriray59 · 11-13-2012, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Hands of Iron

Regularly fought top 3ish opposition. He didn't pick from the bottom half of the division like Holmes often times would. Everything was top notch to what was available to him, same with Napoles and Gavilan, Hagler.

And he beat them all, Griffith twice, Benvenuti twice, Valdez twice, etc.

Outstanding.

PowerPuncher · 11-13-2012, 03:20 PM

It's very good, I do think Hagler beat better opposition, but Monzon beat the best of his time

red cobra · 11-13-2012, 04:40 PM

Monzon had the greatest middleweight reign ever, and one of the best of all time. He capped it of uniquely, that being by retiring unbeaten as champion. That evil woman killer.

Flea Man · 11-13-2012, 04:43 PM

Yeah, pretty good.

Senor Pepe' · 11-13-2012, 04:53 PM

As about a dominant run as anyone for his period.

Would have liked to see him fight Rodrigo Valdez sometime in 1974, rather than an
undersized and old Jose Napoles.

And Carlos could have picked off a faded Bob Foster in early-1974, which would have
cemented his greatness.

Have to be honest though, Carlos looked like a 'stiff-board' versus Tony Licata at
Madison Square Garden.

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orriray59 weird East Side VIP Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: The Green Isle Posts: 13,237 vCash: 82	How highly would you rate Carlos Monzon's middleweight reign? Once he grabbed the titles from Nino Benvenuti in 1970 in a cracking fight, he went on to defend the title's numerous times. He lost the WBC middleweight belt by facing Jose Napoles rather than Rodrigo Valdez, however, he went on to beat Valdez twice. He consistently defended against stellar opposition and didn't lose a fight in that period. He fought and beat the likes of Emile Griffith, Rodrigo Valdez, Bennie Briscoe, Nino Benvenuti, Denny Moyer, etc. Of course you'd be insane to not rate this reign of dominance quite highly, but what's your personal opinion on this? Do you think there was ever a middleweight reign greater? Thoughts?
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Hands of Iron GolovKING East Side Guru Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 8,132 vCash: 2577	Re: How highly would you rate Carlos Monzon's middleweight reign? Best middleweight reign ever.
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Hands of Iron GolovKING East Side Guru Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 8,132 vCash: 2577	Re: How highly would you rate Carlos Monzon's middleweight reign? Up there with Benny Leonard and Joe Louis.
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anj Fuck The Judges ESB Addict Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Durham/Essex, England Posts: 2,026 vCash: 300	Re: How highly would you rate Carlos Monzon's middleweight reign? Mindblowing. I probably have this guy in my top 15-20 all time, maybe better but I cba thinking about it. I put him above Marvin Hagler.
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Richel Hersisia Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,081 vCash: 1360	Re: How highly would you rate Carlos Monzon's middleweight reign? yeah best MW reign ever.. Hagler's isn't far behind tho
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Hands of Iron GolovKING East Side Guru Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 8,132 vCash: 2577	Re: How highly would you rate Carlos Monzon's middleweight reign? Regularly fought top 3ish opposition. He didn't pick from the bottom half of the division like Holmes often times would. Everything was top notch to what was available to him, same with Napoles and Gavilan, Hagler.
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PowerPuncher ESB Junkie East Side VIP Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 30,729 vCash: 1000	Re: How highly would you rate Carlos Monzon's middleweight reign? It's very good, I do think Hagler beat better opposition, but Monzon beat the best of his time
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red cobra P4P King East Side VIP Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: The Sea of Tranquility Posts: 22,189 vCash: 1000	Re: How highly would you rate Carlos Monzon's middleweight reign? Monzon had the greatest middleweight reign ever, and one of the best of all time. He capped it of uniquely, that being by retiring unbeaten as champion. That evil woman killer.
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Flea Man มวยสากล East Side VIP Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: @ferociousflea Posts: 44,057 vCash: 75	Re: How highly would you rate Carlos Monzon's middleweight reign? Yeah, pretty good.
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Senor Pepe' Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 4,734 vCash: 500	Re: How highly would you rate Carlos Monzon's middleweight reign? As about a dominant run as anyone for his period. Would have liked to see him fight Rodrigo Valdez sometime in 1974, rather than an undersized and old Jose Napoles. And Carlos could have picked off a faded Bob Foster in early-1974, which would have cemented his greatness. Have to be honest though, Carlos looked like a 'stiff-board' versus Tony Licata at Madison Square Garden.
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