Wladimir Klitschko now holds the record for the longest reign in HW boxing history

Robinson was a proganda hype by the US Media because Eastern Europeans were still on the block. If the block was lifted during your 'hero's era. The Eastern Europeans would have dominated.
Wladimir is not 'one of the greatest champions of all times' He is the 2nd greatest champion of all times behind Vitali. Vitali would have beaten Ali to a slow death.
What we see here are a bunch of Vitali haters because they are racists. They can't stand the idea of a great tall handsome Eastern European true human being, they rather want inferior human beings to be the champ.
Pathetic. Vitali is everything sport need. So is Wladimir.

[Hands of Iron]

Shut up, Felix.

[Hands of Iron]

Originally Posted by lufcrazy

Stoney is a stonewall legend. His system is militant, rigid and exactly what boxing needs. It is only missing the prestige and universal acclaim required for such a system.

It's definitely the way forward, it's just not the way it is.

I think it's as sound of a system that could be implemented in the sport, but the idea that Robinson should've never been Champion really doesn't sit well with me because even more importantly than the "No. 1 vs No. 2" fighting for a vacated title is that the Champion who dropped it was/is fighting the division's top contenders on a consistent basis. If not, then it's a fraudulent reign and the 'Lineal Champion' loses all value and worth, without question.

Granted, Cochrane served in the Navy for two years in 1943-44, just who the hell did he defend the title against upon winning it from Zivic in 1941 to losing it to Servo in 1945? He didn't defend against one single, solitary welterweight contender over the entirety of his "reign" in between winning and losing it? Sure, he lost to Zivic in a non-title rematch, and lost it to Servo who retired soon thereafter... Did I mention Robinson went 4-0 against these two over the same time period? In addition to beating Henry Armstrong, Jackie Wilson, Tommy Bell twice, George Costner, Izzy Jannazzo four times, Jimmy McDaniels, Norman Rubio, Tony Motisi, Joe Curcio, Sammy Angott... All - mostly highly - rated Welterweights... Hell, throw in LaMotta four times and Dellicurti who were Middleweights Robinson took coming in under the 147 limit. This is before The RING Magazine - Our Legit, Primary Rankings Body - even recognized him Champion. What the hell is going on here? Time to make an exception, that.

[lufcrazy]

Originally Posted by Hands of Iron

I think it's as sound of a system that could be implemented in the sport, but the idea that Robinson should've never been Champion really doesn't sit well with me because even more importantly than the "No. 1 vs No. 2" fighting for a vacated title is that the Champion who dropped it was/is fighting the division's top contenders on a consistent basis. If not, then it's a fraudulent reign and the 'Lineal Champion' loses all value and worth, without question.

Granted, Cochrane served in the Navy for two years in 1942-43, just who the hell did he defend the title against upon winning it from Zivic in 1941 to losing it to Servo in 1945? He didn't defend against one single, solitary welterweight contender over the entirety of his "reign" in between winning and losing it? Sure, he lost to Zivic in a non-title rematch, and lost it to Servo who retired soon thereafter... Did I mention Robinson went 4-0 against these two over the same time period? In addition to beating Henry Armstrong, Jackie Wilson, Tommy Bell twice, George Costner, Izzy Jannazzo four times, Jimmy McDaniels, Norman Rubio, Tony Motisi, Joe Curcio, Sammy Angott... All - mostly highly - rated Welterweights... Hell, throw in LaMotta four times and Dellicurti who were Middleweights Robinson took coming in under the 147 limit. This is before The RING Magazine - Our Legit, Primary Rankings Body - even recognized him Champion. What the hell is going on here? Time to make an exception, that.

Plus zivic had lost just before fighting Cochrane anyways.

When Robinson stopped zivic he put himself head and shoulders above any other we.

I don't care whether the number 1 is wbc, wba, lineal, who, ring, ibf or any other claim. I just care that he fights the best in the division and seeks to unify the claims.

[Hands of Iron]

Originally Posted by lufcrazy

Plus zivic had lost just before fighting Cochrane anyways.

When Robinson stopped zivic he put himself head and shoulders above any other we.

I don't care whether the number 1 is wbc, wba, lineal, who, ring, ibf or any other claim. I just care that he fights the best in the division and seeks to unify the claims.

No mean feat.

[Mendoza]

Originally Posted by LittleRed

PP read the OP. Its about being knocked down. Who dropped Johnson during his reign?

Ketchel did.

[Mendoza]

Originally Posted by Stonehands89

Wlad beat a third-rate and third-rated Chagaev and The Ring appointed him champion based on that. He's one of the seventy make-pretend champions in a sport that has forgotten what the hell a champion is.

It is idiotic to even compare this make-pretend reign to Louis's dozen-year domination.

His reign hasn't even begun yet and it won't until he fights the number two contender. The sooner Vitali retires the better it will be for boxing, for obvious reasons.

That being said, he is without a doubt the premiere heavyweight of this time.

Stonehands, Chagaev a third rater? I think not.


Louis had a great run, but let not pretend any of the bum of the month guys could come close to Wlad. He would dispatch them with ease, and unlike Louis would not get stunned or floored along the way.

[Bummy Davis]

Originally Posted by mcvey

Lamar Clark was pretty consistant 42 straight wins,all by ko.
Its about whom you are beating imo.
ps The Douglas who beat Tyson beats both the Klits ,imo.

Buster would be rendered ineffective vs the Klitschko's, wrong style but he did have Tyson's number that night and so did Holyfield...the distinction being Holyfield was consistent Buster was the right guy in the right place that night and never repeated that form....even the best version of Douglas can not land the punches against the Klitschko's that he landed on Tyson...Buster loses to the K's the way he lost to Tucker only quicker IMO

[sugarkills]

Wlad is the most overrated heavyweight boxer of 'em all. I still do not understand why this site is so on his nuts.

[MagnaNasakki]

Originally Posted by sugarkills

Wlad is the most overrated heavyweight boxer of 'em all. I still do not understand why this site is so on his nuts.

Eh...Go get punched by him.

[sugarkills]

Originally Posted by MagnaNasakki

Eh...Go get punched by him.

Sure, except that Wlad would be punching towards the floor because he's so much fuckin' taller then me. I'd win by DQ because he'd be rabbit punching me.

[Hands of Iron]

Originally Posted by MagnaNasakki

Eh...Go get punched by him.

No, thanks!

[MagnaNasakki]

Originally Posted by sugarkills

Sure, except that Wlad would be punching towards the floor because he's so much fuckin' taller then me. I'd win by DQ because he'd be rabbit punching me.

Dude knows how to bend his knees

But, seriously. I've been in there with most of the big shots who were active before Wlad took control. He's just as good as they are, worse in a few areas, and better in a few.

He'd hold up to anybody. If I'm on his nuts for thinking so, so be it, but he did to me what a prime, peaked Lennox Lewis and a very formidable, if old, George Foreman could not. (Throw in Holyfield, Tua, and an amateur Bowe in there, if you'd like.)

He's pretty darn good, if you ask me.

[MagnaNasakki]

Originally Posted by Hands of Iron

No, thanks!

There are days my body wishes it had said that to my whole career

[KidDynamite]

Originally Posted by MagnaNasakki

Dude knows how to bend his knees

But, seriously. I've been in there with most of the big shots who were active before Wlad took control. He's just as good as they are, worse in a few areas, and better in a few.

He'd hold up to anybody. If I'm on his nuts for thinking so, so be it, but he did to me what a prime, peaked Lennox Lewis and a very formidable, if old, George Foreman could not. (Throw in Holyfield, Tua, and an amateur Bowe in there, if you'd like.)

He's pretty darn good, if you ask me.

Wlad is the hardest hitting, fastest hands heavyweight in history according to Klit fans ... and he can KO prime Ali, Louis, Tyson, Foreman and Lewis all in the same night according to Klit fans

He's also the most athletic with the best foot work ever as well

Pretty high praise for a guy who can't even throw an uppercut and gets KOed by Ross freakin Puritty