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Old 11-13-2012, 01:26 PM   #1
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Default bjj vs wrestling which one is more effective?

which one of two do you think is more effective in mma?
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Old 11-13-2012, 01:46 PM   #2
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Default Re: bjj vs wrestling which one is more effective?

a guy who has been doing bjj for 5 years will beat most wrestlers who have been wrestling for 10 years on the ground..if all they have been doing is wrestling. but some cross training for a wrestler makes a huge difference.
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Old 11-13-2012, 01:54 PM   #3
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In low level MMA BJJ guys still dominate easily. In top level MMA, you basically need both. But you can get away with great wrestling and submission defence.
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Old 11-13-2012, 06:30 PM   #4
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bjj. as in all sports you need defense before offense.
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Old 11-13-2012, 06:52 PM   #5
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Default Re: bjj vs wrestling which one is more effective?

There's only one answer;

Wrestling for the dominant control and required strength when on top in the missionary position - being the giver.

BJJ if you're the taker. Closed guard is especially flexible as it allows for being butt-****ed when on your back, or up in the air if the giver is standing.
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Old 11-13-2012, 08:49 PM   #6
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bjj. as in all sports you need defense before offense.



Well stated if all things are equal. That said both are awesome and depends on the individual's attention to their overall ground game.
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Old 11-13-2012, 09:02 PM   #7
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Default Re: bjj vs wrestling which one is more effective?

Both arts are effective because they specialize in their particular range. Wrestlers will always be stronger with takedowns and control whilst jiujitsuan will always have the edge in submissions.

In answer to the direct question of which one is more effective in MMA - I would say wrestling beause I believe the standup rules, time limits and points system lends itself to the wrestler's strength who merely has to score a takedown while the jiujitsu figther wants the submission. I personally believe jiujitsu is stronger in a gi and in street situations involving normal clothing - but inside the ring - the gi advantage is taken away.
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Old 11-13-2012, 11:26 PM   #8
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BJJ Offense is harder to implement than learning to defend against it.
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Old 11-13-2012, 11:29 PM   #9
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Wrestling. They dictate where the fight goes. Against a BJJ practitioner, they keep it standing. Against a striker, they take it the ground. We moved from a BJJ stage in early MMA, to a wrestler stage, to a brief striker stage, and then we went back to a wrestler stage. Obviously hybrid fighters will always be the best, but if I have to choose a base for MMA, it's wrestling all the way.
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Old 11-14-2012, 12:12 AM   #10
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Wrestling. They dictate where the fight goes. Against a BJJ practitioner, they keep it standing. Against a striker, they take it the ground. We moved from a BJJ stage in early MMA, to a wrestler stage, to a brief striker stage, and then we went back to a wrestler stage. Obviously hybrid fighters will always be the best, but if I have to choose a base for MMA, it's wrestling all the way.
And a wrestler who learns submissions is ****ing beast.
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Old 11-14-2012, 01:33 AM   #11
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Both are effective, in their own right. I say BJJ gives you the better chances of a submission finish. Wrestling gives you the better chance for a decision.

A BJJ practitioner can spend the entire fight on the bottom of a wrestler -- the BJJ practitioner has the better chance for a finish (the wrestler does not from his wrestling, alone), but if he doesn't get it, the wrestler's chances for a win via decision are at its highest.
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Old 11-14-2012, 02:22 AM   #12
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Every current UFC champion who has successfully defended their title owns a brown belt or higher in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu except for Jon Jones and Dominick Cruz (blue belt).
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Old 11-14-2012, 04:32 AM   #13
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There's only one answer;

Wrestling for the dominant control and required strength when on top in the missionary position - being the giver.

BJJ if you're the taker. Closed guard is especially flexible as it allows for being butt-****ed when on your back, or up in the air if the giver is standing.
This guy has been warned. If he continues to troll report it or pm me and i will ban him.
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Old 11-14-2012, 04:39 AM   #14
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Chael Sonnen the wrestler having trouble with Maia the BJJer:

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Old 11-14-2012, 10:20 AM   #15
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Chael Sonnen the wrestler having trouble with Maia the BJJer:

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That's a poor example of Wrestler vs BJJ. This is Maia vs Sonnen who are both MMA fighers for long time now.
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