Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Ray Robinson

[Hands of Iron]

Flea,

Why don't you like Carbajal? Probably the best fighter to come out of my city, awesome dude too. Operated the Ninth Street Gym here for years (No air conditioning in that bitch, intentionally), was fucked out of millions of dollars and several properties (including the gym) by his snake brother Danny.

[Flea Man]

Ummm....when did I say that?! I love Carbajal!

[Hands of Iron]

I was being completely disingenuous. Just wanted to hear it.

[Flea Man]

Twat

Where would you rank him among the ATG light flys? His past prime win over Arce was a quality achievement (and a fun fight too)

[Hands of Iron]

Yeah, traveling to Tijuana to do it was cool too.

You know I DKSA the lower weights, nor have I ever pretended or hinted to. Where would you rate him?

[mr. magoo]

The problem here is that Mayweather has spent the bulk of his career at a lighter weight class, and didn't ascend to welterweight until he was near past it. So placing him in the ring around age 30 with a natural welterweight who just so happened to be the best ever at that class is a mismatch.

[Flea Man]

Originally Posted by Hands of Iron

Yeah, traveling to Tijuana to do it was cool too.

You know I DKSA the lower weights, nor have I ever pretended or hinted to. Where would you rate him?

Much higher had Chiquita not got the better of their series

Still, probably top 5. Kittikasem, Chiquita I and past prime win over Arce is ace on it's own. Deadly hitter as well and easy to root for. I prefer Carbajal-Gonzalez I to Gonzalez-Sorajutingtong as well.

Getting tooled past your best by Baby Jake is harder to make excuses for than Chiquita was for Chang though

By the way if you get the chance watch Baby Jake Vs Dave McAuley, probably the craziest size difference you'll ever see in a fight

[lora]

Orlando Canizales was not really a 90s fighter.he crossed over the two era's and was past his best by 94.With more appropriate matchmaking he should have had his big fights at Bantam by 1990.

[Beer]

Originally Posted by Flea Man

By the way if you get the chance watch Baby Jake Vs Dave McAuley, probably the craziest size difference you'll ever see in a fight

Yep. Jake had some balls. McAuley was a huge Flyweight.

[PowerPuncher]

It's an interesting one because we haven't seen Robinson against many defensive boxers but the ones he did face, Galivan and Tommy Bell, gave him close tricky contests by all accounts.

Robinson is 1 of the few who had the skill and speed to break through Mayweather's defence. Mayweather would look to box and both being very quick land some of their leads in a bit of a chess match, once he takes a few of Robinson's shots he'd look to potshot on the backfoot. Robinson would figure he could step it up after Floyd after getting the better of the exchanges and would look to walk Floyd down. Floyd backs up and becomes defensive giving SRR the initiative but potshots some rounds into the bag

Robinson 8-4 or 9-3 but he may well stop Floyd too

Originally Posted by mr. magoo

The problem here is that Mayweather has spent the bulk of his career at a lighter weight class, and didn't ascend to welterweight until he was near past it. So placing him in the ring around age 30 with a natural welterweight who just so happened to be the best ever at that class is a mismatch.

Stepped upto WW at 28 I think

[Flea Man]

Originally Posted by Beer

Yep. Jake had some balls. McAuley was a huge Flyweight.

Welcome to the board McAuley was indeed a freakishly proportioned fly and had a mean left hook too.

[Hands of Iron]

Will do on that, Flea.

Beer is a quality poster already too. Makes me thirsty though.

[PowerPuncher]

Originally Posted by Flea Man

Again, 108 ( at the whole 105 division even needing to exist) to 122 was far superior in the 80s.

Le me guess, Mark Johnson was the best?

As someone who doesn't follow the lower weights and a Too Sharp fan I take it your deadly serious about that statement

[Flea Man]

Originally Posted by PowerPuncher

As someone who doesn't follow the lower weights and a Too Sharp fan I take it your deadly serious about that statement

Yeah, although he was clearly one of the best lower weight fighters of his era and, on ability alone (mainly aesthetic quality although he essentially 'proved' himself against Rafa and Montiel past prime and above fly) but gets way overrated based on what he actually did...which was maintain a high ranking without fighting anyone very good.

But I'm a fan, same as I am a fan of Ricardo Lopez.

[LittleRed]

Originally Posted by Flea Man

Yeah, although he was clearly one of the best lower weight fighters of his era and, on ability alone (mainly aesthetic quality although he essentially 'proved' himself against Rafa and Montiel past prime and above fly) but gets way overrated based on what he actually did...which was maintain a high ranking without fighting anyone very good.

But I'm a fan, because I actually think that Too Sharp could fight unlike, say Ricardo Lopez.

Flea can't you let one day go by without taking potshots at the Great One.