lennox's resume is hardly better than wlad's

[irishny]

Originally Posted by WiDDoW_MaKeR

The cut that ended the fight, in the 3rd round was CLEARLY caused by a grazing punch. Vitali dipped to the right, and Lewis' right, missing it's mark, gripped and ripped the skin of Vitali's eye with either the edge, or the thumb of Lewis' glove.

This is the punch... see for yourself if you are actually interested in the truth.
http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/6199/thecuts.gif

Highly debateable as to what constitutes a grazed punch.
And the 3 other AWFUL looking cuts on his face?

Grazed punches too?

[irishny]

Originally Posted by Manning

Yes and those fights weren't close at all and I personally stick by my original point in saying Iggy and Byrd were much tougher foes than the versions of Tyson and Holy that Lewis beat.

Yes,because they were fighting shot to shit versions of Holy.

Holyfield was IBF and WBA champ when Lewis fought him.
He was 18 months out from defeating a still very dangerous Tyson and a year out from completely destroying Moorer.

He was still for all intents and purposes,in his prime.

When he fought Byrd he was past it,and against Iggy he was shot to shit.

The Holyfield that Lewis beat, trumps ANYTHING of Wlads record.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

Originally Posted by irishny

Highly debateable as to what constitutes a grazed punch.
And the 3 other AWFUL looking cuts on his face?

Grazed punches too?

The cut around the eye was the cut that stopped the fight. Yes, he had a cut on his cheek, and his lip was busted (from that uppercut). It's a fight, people can get cut without being a lesser fighter. Wlad was cut and bleeding in his domination of Wach. It happens.

However, the cut was CLEARLY caused by a grazing punch. Sorry, that doesn't make Lewis better. It makes him fortunate.

[KidDynamite]

Originally Posted by WiDDoW_MaKeR

The cut that ended the fight, in the 3rd round was CLEARLY caused by a grazing punch. Vitali dipped to the right, and Lewis' right, missing it's mark, gripped and ripped the skin of Vitali's eye with either the edge, or the thumb of Lewis' glove.

This is the punch... see for yourself if you are actually interested in the truth.
http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/6199/thecuts.gif

Yeah I see the bulk of Lennox's GLOVE, not thumb which was oriented away from Klits face, doing the damage.

And he had MULTIPLE cuts not just one

And what does it matter? A cut is a cut, its a part of the sport.

[OMGWTF]

He was a safety first boxer.

He likes to hide behind his long jab all night, clinch, and not take risks in the ring.

He likes nice easy opponents or washed up greats to create his legacy.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

Originally Posted by irishny

Yes,because they were fighting shot to shit versions of Holy.

Holyfield was IBF and WBA champ when Lewis fought him.
He was 18 months out from defeating a still very dangerous Tyson and a year out from completely destroying Moorer.

He was still for all intents and purposes,in his prime.

When he fought Byrd he was past it,and against Iggy he was shot to shit.

The Holyfield that Lewis beat, trumps ANYTHING of Wlads record.

Oh, so the 37 year old Holyfield that Lewis barely beat in their second fight was head and shoulders above the 37 year old Holyfield that entered into a horribly ugly and embarrassing trilogy against John Ruiz? John Ruiz beat Holyfield more convincingly than Lewis did.

[FrochFan]

http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/4572/purritywlad.gif

[irishny]

Originally Posted by WiDDoW_MaKeR

The cut around the eye was the cut that stopped the fight. Yes, he had a cut on his cheek, and his lip was busted (from that uppercut). It's a fight, people can get cut without being a lesser fighter. Wlad was cut and bleeding in his domination of Wach. It happens.

However, the cut was CLEARLY caused by a grazing punch. Sorry, that doesn't make Lewis better. It makes him fortunate.

Is it any more fortunate than McCall throwing a wild ounch with his eyes looking down(same with Rahman actually) landing a huge shot on Lewis and KO'ing him.

Essentially a fight stopped by injury, be it concussion or a cut are the same thing.

You get punched in the face,you get hurt,it happens.

[Manning]

Originally Posted by irishny

Yes,because they were fighting shot to shit versions of Holy.

Holyfield was IBF and WBA champ when Lewis fought him.
He was 18 months out from defeating a still very dangerous Tyson and a year out from completely destroying Moorer.

He was still for all intents and purposes,in his prime.

When he fought Byrd he was past it,and against Iggy he was shot to shit.

The Holyfield that Lewis beat, trumps ANYTHING of Wlads record.

Debatable. I see that version of Holyfield from the Lewis fight struggling with all of Peter 1, Byrd, Iggy, Haye and Chagaev. Obviously all of Byrd, Iggy and Chags are going to give him huge problems after what Moorer did to a prime version of Holy.

[uktyson]

Originally Posted by Manning

I would argue Haye, Ibragimov, Byrd and Peter were much tougher opponents than the versions of Tyson and Holyfield that Lewis beat.

[irishny]

Originally Posted by WiDDoW_MaKeR

Oh, so the 37 year old Holyfield that Lewis barely beat in their second fight was head and shoulders above the 37 year old Holyfield that entered into a horribly ugly and embarrassing trilogy against John Ruiz? John Ruiz beat Holyfield more convincingly than Lewis did.

Didnt Ruiz go 1-1-1 with Holy?

Also the clips shown werent of Ruiz,they were of Bird who fought Holyfield when he was 40,and iggy who fought him when he was 44!

Whats Ruiz got to do with the argument?

Did either Lewis or Wlad beat him?

[irishny]

Originally Posted by Manning

Debatable. I see that version of Holyfield from the Lewis fight struggling with all of Peter 1, Byrd, Iggy, Haye and Chagaev. Obviously all of Byrd, Iggy and Chags are going to give him huge problems after what Moorer did to a prime version of Holy.

The second time they fought Evander beat the ever loiving shit out of Moorer.

Moorer was prime in both fights.

[uktyson]

what a load of nonsence this is.lewis is twice the fighter wlad will ever beput wlad in the ring with lewis and it would be over by 6 rounds.

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

Originally Posted by irishny

Is it any more fortunate than McCall throwing a wild ounch with his eyes looking down(same with Rahman actually) landing a huge shot on Lewis and KO'ing him.

Essentially a fight stopped by injury, be it concussion or a cut are the same thing.

You get punched in the face,you get hurt,it happens.

McCall threw a perfectly timed right hand that landed on the button.

Rahman was timing Lewis up with that right hand all night long, and backed Lewis up against the ropes and took him clean out with a right hand. That was great execution.

You seem to be taking "fortunate" and using it as "lucky". They aren't the same thing.

I didn't even say that Lewis was lucky. I said that he was fortunate for that grazing punch to cause a fight ending cut in a fight that he was clearly losing. Any time that a boxer throws a punch, the result isn't luck. They are in the ring to throw and avoid punches.

Definition of FORTUNATE
1: bringing some good thing not foreseen as certain

2: receiving some unexpected good

As I said.. Lewis was fortunate that the grazing punch ended up causing a cut that ended a fight that he was losing.

No, a cut and a knockout is certainly not the same thing. You are lying to yourself if you believe that's the case. Cuts can be very random and certainly don't mean that the guy who caused the cut is a better boxer, or clearly won. If you knock a guy out, then you clearly won. You still may not be the better boxer, but you clearly won the fight that night. If you are losing the fight, and a doctor stops the fight on a cut, while you are losing... and the other fighter desperately wants to fight on... and has shown to that point that he CAN fight on with the cut... that doesn't make you the better man in the ring, and certainly isn't a clear victory like a true knockout.

[The13thRound]

look at both klits opponents none of them apart from david haye has even been in shape hell even lewis wasnt in shape says it all really