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Old 11-14-2012, 11:01 PM   #46
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Doesn't really matter what JMM and Pac do this camp ... still going to be a drawish type fight. Would love closure either way, but doubt that is going to happen.
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Old 11-14-2012, 11:08 PM   #47
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I heard something like this many times. Before the JMM (III) and the Bradley fights, "Pacquiao is in the best shape of his life, he looks so determine and focuss, his speed of footwork and punch are still there, he got the hardest training ever, he doesn't need the judges' decision this time, and blah blah blah......"

What a load of crap!
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Old 11-15-2012, 04:31 AM   #48
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The last time that Pac can throw highly fluid and snappy combinations with such a sharp in-and-out movement was against ODLH.

It was all down hill from there.
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Old 11-15-2012, 05:33 AM   #49
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Any word on whether or not JMM is back to the mother****ing horse steroids or whatever he used to get so huge?
By huge, you mean put on 3-4 lbs over an extended period?
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Old 11-15-2012, 09:43 AM   #50
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"This years A-side is uncut....We are back to the old Manny" ~ A
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Old 11-15-2012, 09:46 AM   #51
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I remember Jeff Fenech saying he had got Tyson back to the old Mike before that fat bum Mcbride hugged him to death, this is just a fighters camps saying the usual, I hope Pac isnt past it and can turn it up though in this fight, and finally get it on with Gayweather in May, for **** sakes its then or never.
the old vitor, new and improved, changed my diet, etc.

all bullshit.

generally, a fighter does not get better as he ages.

he gets worse.

you could see that in the mayweather/cotto fight.
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Old 11-15-2012, 09:48 AM   #52
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I heard something like this many times. Before the JMM (III) and the Bradley fights, "Pacquiao is in the best shape of his life, he looks so determine and focuss, his speed of footwork and punch are still there, he got the hardest training ever, he doesn't need the judges' decision this time, and blah blah blah......"

What a load of crap!
this is the esb forums. lot of crap floating around here.

lot of people eating it, too.
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Old 11-15-2012, 10:56 AM   #53
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Re: Ariza Says Manny Back To Speed and Volume Punching and needles in the ass.
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Old 11-15-2012, 11:33 AM   #54
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If Marquez brings Angel back he will win by KO.
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Old 11-15-2012, 01:13 PM   #55
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Sorry Tazo but you're off base here. For whatever plan Pacquiao may walk into the ring with, be it either of the 3 fights they've fought, "Throwing everything out the window and fighting Marquez" is always an option to any plan they may have.

An element of truth my ass! Against Marquez, Pacquiaio has always tried the avenue of relentless aggression, but he gets turned back by that hard right hand counter by Marquez everytime.

Pacquiao will try it again no doubt, but the kamikazee aggression will stop once again once Marquez starts to bounce those right hands flush on Pacquiao's face.
Those counter right hands by Marquez are straight as an arrow missiles that radar Pacquiao's face and noggin.
When you exhert aggression against a skill counterpuncher like Marquez you pay the price, and each of the 3 rights they've fought, Pacquiao's has been forced to slow down and even halt his kamikazee style rushes.

You know better than anyone Tazo, its not Pacquiao who conciously makes a decision to slow down his volume. Those straight rights by Marquez hurt. It is Marquez who dictates to Pacquiao by landing those flush right hands "you better watch yourself boy, cause you're going to get hurt."

Stopping his whirlwind assault on Marquez is not something Pacquiao does by choice, Marquez dictates that he does. If he does'nt, somebody is going to get stopped, and its likely not going to be Juan Manuel Marquez!
Never implied it would work for them, just highlighting the strategy, we both know there's hardly any way out for Manny against someone who matches him so well in Marquez. Age is the only thing they got on JMM though, and if they have no way out, they might as well go for broke.
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Old 11-15-2012, 01:15 PM   #56
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buboy has got him back to his roots on the pads. manny very happy with this style of fighting. i hope we see this in jmm 4 like we saw in the 1st 2 fights
stopped reading after "Ariza Says"

who gives a **** what that clown says
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Old 11-15-2012, 10:54 PM   #57
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They always say this, but there is probably an element of truth to it, since Roach's plan is apparently to "Throw everything out the window and fight this guy."

We'll see how that works out for them, I guess.
Thanks for clarifying Tazo, I took it as if you were implying speed and volume was'nt part of their gameplan the 3rd fight and that you were in agreeance with Ariza that Pacquiao go back to what he used to be.

My position is that Pacquiao has never strayed from speed and volume andn that its been a big part of his gameplans for each of his three fights with Marquez.

Except for the first two rounds of fight one in which Marquez was introduced to the whirlwind maniacal style and tactics of Manny Pacquiao.
He's never really been that much bothered by Pacquiao's style or tactics after that introduction.
Marquez immediately made the adjustments, acclamated himself to Pacquiao's style, and figured out how to diffuse anything in Pacquiao's arsenal in the process.

Ariza is now saying Pacquiao will go Kamikazee on Marquez, but any educated boxing fan with a brain knows that only gives Pacquiao a punchers chance in the fight.

Pacquiao needs to land something huge and then risk everything by going for broke.
By going for broke I mean risk everything. With Marquez hurt, Pacquiao has got to floor the gas pedal and not look back.
If in the process of going for broke Pacquiao's tank empties, Marquez is going to have him in his sights. A spent fighter in Pacquiao ready to get taken apart by a tactical assasin who smells weakness!

Marquez is fully capable of stopping Manny Pacquiao if Pacquiao shoots his load and does'nt get the job done.

The thing here Tazo is that Pacquiao fully knows Marquez can hurt him and the chances of him taking that chance and going for broke knowing full well Arum has the judges in his pocket, is zero.

I cant really blame Pacquiao. If you know full well that anything within sniffing distance of a competitive round goes to you, why the hell would you take a chance and go for broke?

Its a shame, but team Pacquiao fully knows that all they have to do is keep Marquez from dominating a round and the chances are Arum has greased the palms that need greasing.
Thats the bottom line, and its the reason why its unlikely Pacquiao go for broke even in a circumstance where he deep down knows Marquez is staging a clinic!
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Old 11-15-2012, 11:58 PM   #58
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Any word on whether or not JMM is back to the mother****ing horse steroids or whatever he used to get so huge?
he's not on roids, manny and floyd are.
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Old 11-16-2012, 01:07 AM   #59
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Ariza always says Manny is this and that, then doesn't perform that way.
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Old 11-16-2012, 01:23 AM   #60
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Before fight

Manny looks better than ever!

After fight

There were alot of problems in camp. Manny didnt go to bed on time. Leg cramps. Ect

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