Just watched Wlad vs Wach: A few thoughts....

[Nay_Sayer]

Originally Posted by Wilson

debatable

I'm certainly open to having that debate...

[Nay_Sayer]

Originally Posted by Asterion

Holyfield?

Put the Wlad that schooled Chagaev (peak Wlad, imo) and he schools Holyfield also.

LOL..

Evander gives Bady Klit the business - raw style...

[KidDynamite]

Originally Posted by UBC Boxing

Ranked that high by bullshit ABC sanctioning bodies you fucking dope. Who the fuck thought 40 year old overweight Rahman was the #1 contender last month other than the corrupt WBA president? Even you are not that fucking dumb to believe that. Well maybe you aren't.

Thanks for illustrating how pathetic the division is under the bitchko reign. Rahman earned a #1 ranking and an entire sanctioning body believed it was legit. The sanctioning bodies create all the fucking rankings you fucktard, I'm just pointing them out. Klits are definitely the weakest champions in the history of the sport and have the worst competition ever.

[Nay_Sayer]

Originally Posted by Rico Spadafora

What 6'7 Heavyweight in History has ever had Head Movement? .

Vitali Klitschko.

Got any more questions, Lightening?

[Nay_Sayer]

Originally Posted by gregy741

beside ramesess 2 was blond hair european

Only in your dreams...

[Boxingfan2]

Originally Posted by Nay_Sayer

First off, Wach is nothing more than a 6'7" walking punching bag. No head movement, no jab, shit for balance - essentially he's par for the course that is Wlad's typical opponent.

As far as the Baby Klit is concerned, anyone who thinks this guy has one of the best jabs in HW history is seriously DELUSIONAL and needs to go watch some films of Larry Holmes or Sonny Liston. Those guys had ATG jabs. Wlad, OTOH has absolute SHIT for a jab. There's no snap on it, he spends most of the time pawing with it - and after he throws that conviction-less jab of his, he drops his left hand down to his waist inviting a counter right hand. Definitely not ATG stuff here.

Also, Wlad's right hand power is grotesquely overrated by the Klit lickers in this forum. Comparing Wlad's right hand to that of Lennox Lewis is like comparing a Ford Mustang to a high end Ferrari. Lennox throws his right hand with more conviction, more confidence, better technique and better leverage. IOW, in terms of right hand power, Lennox is in another league. I saw Wach each flush right hands from the opening round to the final stanza and at no time did I think he was in danger of being stopped. Wlad, OTOH, had a few deer-n-headlight moments.

Lastly, Wlad's stamina is an issue. To me, he looked gassed after the 8th after unloading on Wach - and Wach was STILL coming forward for the remainder of the fight.

I watched that fight thinking what a prime or near prime Evander Holyfield would do to that disgrace of a HW "Champion".

Not a big Klitschko fan but how does Wach surviving prove that Wlads power is overrated ? Lennox pounded Mavrovich for 12 rounds without ever knocking him down.
Maybe there are just fighters who can take a shitload of punishment without getting KOed.

[diesel]

Originally Posted by DrBanzai

Holmes fought in the worst era of heavy weight boxing ever, his jab against tomato cans means nothing.

fuk off

[gdm]

damn, this brainless afrofag is back trolling.

[Nay_Sayer]

Originally Posted by Boxingfan2

Not a big Klitschko fan but how does Wach surviving prove that Wlads power is overrated ? Lennox pounded Mavrovich for 12 rounds without ever knocking him down.
Maybe there are just fighters who can take a shitload of punishment without getting KOed.

Haven't seen the Mavrovich fight in a while but, IIRC, Lewis was able to discourage Mavrovich's agression with his power. Certainly, Mavrovich wasn't the one coming forward pressing the issue late in the fight like Wach was.

[Boxingfan2]

Originally Posted by Nay_Sayer

Haven't seen the Mavrovich fight in a while but, IIRC, Lewis was able to discourage Mavrovich's agression with his power. Certainly, Mavrovich wasn't the one coming forward pressing the issue late in the fight like Wach was.

True, the main reason Lennox was able to push him around was his massive size advantage though, Wach on the other hand while Slow and uncoordinated is a huge man.

[Bathory]

Originally Posted by chitownfightfan

Wach KOs Morrison, Moorer, Berbick, Hide, Leon Spinks, and loses a decision to prime Holmes.
He'd murder any HW champion who ruled prior to WW2, and the top guys in the 50s would have their hands full, but UD him.

Wach would do well in any era, he's just missing that notch to make him elite.
But we should be assured there are titlists he would murder.

[diesel]

Originally Posted by Nay_Sayer

First off, Wach is nothing more than a 6'7" walking punching bag. No head movement, no jab, shit for balance - essentially he's par for the course that is Wlad's typical opponent.

As far as the Baby Klit is concerned, anyone who thinks this guy has one of the best jabs in HW history is seriously DELUSIONAL and needs to go watch some films of Larry Holmes or Sonny Liston. Those guys had ATG jabs. Wlad, OTOH has absolute SHIT for a jab. There's no snap on it, he spends most of the time pawing with it - and after he throws that conviction-less jab of his, he drops his left hand down to his waist inviting a counter right hand. Definitely not ATG stuff here.

Also, Wlad's right hand power is grotesquely overrated by the Klit lickers in this forum. Comparing Wlad's right hand to that of Lennox Lewis is like comparing a Ford Mustang to a high end Ferrari. Lennox throws his right hand with more conviction, more confidence, better technique and better leverage. IOW, in terms of right hand power, Lennox is in another league. I saw Wach each flush right hands from the opening round to the final stanza and at no time did I think he was in danger of being stopped. Wlad, OTOH, had a few deer-n-headlight moments.

Lastly, Wlad's stamina is an issue. To me, he looked gassed after the 8th after unloading on Wach - and Wach was STILL coming forward for the remainder of the fight.

I watched that fight thinking what a prime or near prime Evander Holyfield would do to that disgrace of a HW "Champion".

totally agreed wlad/wash is like lennox/brian nielson......... i big punching bag/ only neislon beat more contenders and former champs than wach/but wash had a great chin like nielson for sure

[diesel]

Originally Posted by Asterion

Holyfield?

Put the Wlad that schooled Chagaev (peak Wlad, imo) and he schools Holyfield also.

pinch yourself bro/ you need to wake up from your dream

[diesel]

Originally Posted by chitownfightfan

Wach KOs Morrison, Moorer, Berbick, Hide, Leon Spinks, and loses a decision to prime Holmes.
He'd murder any HW champion who ruled prior to WW2, and the top guys in the 50s would have their hands full, but UD him.

Wach would do well in any era, he's just missing that notch to make him elite.
But we should be assured there are titlists he would murder.

wach would never beat michael moorer or morrison u fukin moron= get your head out of your ass

[diesel]

Originally Posted by chitownfightfan

wach kos morrison, moorer, berbick, hide, leon spinks, and loses a decision to prime holmes.
He'd murder any hw champion who ruled prior to ww2, and the top guys in the 50s would have their hands full, but ud him.

Wach would do well in any era, he's just missing that notch to make him elite.
But we should be assured there are titlists he would murder.

lol=lol=lol