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Old 11-14-2012, 04:15 PM   #16
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Canzoneri and Leonard are interchangable between 10 and 20. Personally, I normally have Canzoneri ahead. Monzon between 25-35.
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Old 11-14-2012, 04:17 PM   #17
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I'm going to surprise a few people her and put Leonard at the top.

I think Canzoneri has the wins (Berg,Chocolate) to edge out Monzon (Napoles,Benvenuti,Griffith) but not by much.

The fact Ray has the four year resume says more about what he achieved in such a short time IMO rather than detracts.

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And you have to wonder how much better Canzoneri would be without the rigours of fighting so many times back then.
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Old 11-14-2012, 04:18 PM   #18
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I could see Canzoneri over Leonard or vice versa. Both top 30. Both had done great wins but SRL was more consistent although that might be due to era. Push comes to shove Leonard.over Canzi by close margins.

Monzon over either because **** you.
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Old 11-14-2012, 06:47 PM   #19
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Leonard 13th
Monzon 16th
Canzoneri 19th

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Old 11-14-2012, 07:31 PM   #20
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Canzoneri

















Monzon




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Old 11-15-2012, 02:47 AM   #21
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Canzoneri 11-15
Ray Leonard 11-20
Monzon 31-40
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Old 11-15-2012, 02:49 AM   #22
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I'm going to surprise a few people her and put Leonard at the top.

I think Canzoneri has the wins (Berg,Chocolate) to edge out Monzon (Napoles,Benvenuti,Griffith) but not by much.

The fact Ray has the four year resume says more about what he achieved in such a short time IMO rather than detracts.

All about opinions though.
And you have to wonder how much better Canzoneri would be without the rigours of fighting so many times back then.
Canzoneri would be worse off without his hectic schedule, as all boxers are when ranking them for 'greatness' IMO.

Canzoneri's resume is STACKED.
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Old 11-15-2012, 03:10 AM   #23
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Though I do agree with him in regards to SRL. Who else is in your top 20 with only 40 ****in' fights? That's irate, and really shouldn't be feasible but Leonard went for the jugular and in a big hurry. I know Stonehands uses it as a big knock against him despite his qualfications. In no way does Monzon have a better record than Leonard. I don't know that he even beat more contenders with 60+ more bouts.
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Old 11-15-2012, 03:28 AM   #24
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Agree 100%
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Old 11-16-2012, 10:40 PM   #25
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Old 11-16-2012, 10:56 PM   #26
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What you guys fail to appreciate is how much more devastating Canzoneri was than Leonard or Monzon. Pretty much everyone he fought is either dead or worse. You'll find that's less and less so as you go through later and later fighters since him.
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Old 11-16-2012, 11:02 PM   #27
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On a serious note, Canzoneri could easily be ahead. I wouldn't argue that. I have them both in the Top 15.
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Old 11-17-2012, 01:58 AM   #28
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Monzon tops the other two guys and you all know it.
Monzon is continually underated around here.

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Monzon is continually underated around here.
Is he?

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Old 11-17-2012, 02:21 AM   #30
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Is he?

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Nice to see a thread that does Monzon justice

Like many others including Ali, Leonard and Calzaghe; Monzon seems to attract more than his share of no-nothings and trolls who try in vain to detract from his achievements.
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