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Old 11-15-2012, 03:24 AM   #1
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Default When will people realize Wlad was not in his prime when he lost 3 times?

Wlad's prime started post 2006 when his training with Manny Steward finally started to pay dividends, and he began to understand the system. Wladimir has improved A TON since 2004. I think to any non bias observer, it should be clear that Wladimir is a much better fighter now than 10 years ago.


So, my question is, when will people stop bringing up losses that happened 9-14 years ago to a completely different fighter?
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Old 11-15-2012, 03:26 AM   #2
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Wlad's prime started post 2006 when his training with Manny Steward finally started to pay dividends, and he began to understand the system. Wladimir has improved A TON since 2004. I think to any non bias observer, it should be clear that Wladimir is a much better fighter now than 10 years ago.


So, my question is, when will people stop bringing up losses that happened 9-14 years ago to a completely different fighter?
wlad had to redefine the way he fought because of the sanders loss - it had nothing at all to do with prime
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Old 11-15-2012, 03:45 AM   #3
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Wlads biggest weaknesses are Durability, Stamina, and Panic Attacks. Unfortunately for Wladimir. He has panic attacks like with Brewster and Puritty. Wladimir Klitschko has not been taking on aggressive punchers since a crude Sam Peter, who floored him 3 times. Lamon Brewster actually said in a interview "I have never seen a fighter with as weak a jaw as wladimir klitschko. emanuel steward as done a great job covering up his chin. But it is so weak." Lamon further commented on how he barely landed on wlads chin at one point and he saw wlads legs shake all the way down and wlad got glassy eyed. These things don't change and he's not fighting anyone as capable of exploiting them. In short, Vitali KO5 Volo, prime for prime.
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Old 11-15-2012, 03:59 AM   #4
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These things don't change and he's not fighting anyone as capable of exploiting them.
You may be on to something there. However, makes one wonder why he didn't duck Haye? Maybe he had a secret contract clause with Haye not to tag his glass chin?
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Old 11-15-2012, 04:04 AM   #5
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he was simply green when he was 40-1.
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Old 11-15-2012, 04:05 AM   #6
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You may be on to something there. However, makes one wonder why he didn't duck Haye? Maybe he had a secret contract clause with Haye not to tag his glass chin?
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Old 11-15-2012, 04:11 AM   #7
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Its all semantics. He was certainly in his physical prime, but had not learned his winning style yet, and as Boxed Ears said, had not learned to control his nerves.

He will probably not lose again, and retire with a very respectable record. His career had a very strange arc to it, and that is all.

Bottom line- with wins over fellow champs like like Byrd, Brewster, Mercer, Chagaev, Ibragimov, Rahmen, and Haye, he will be remembered as a great fighter.
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Old 11-15-2012, 05:34 AM   #8
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The points are:
1-wlad wasn't in the CHIN prime when all of his losses happened

2-Against Ross Puritty he totally gassed out in 8 rounds, shooting all that he got to obtain an impressive ko; unfortunately Ross Puritty had a monster chin, and also bomb fists; still, Wlad wasn't koed, to the contrary, he seemed totally indifferent to the bombs landing on his head, and finished on his foots; but his corner threw in the towel; Wlado was really disappointed for that stopping with his corner; and was really young and naive;

3- Corrie Sanders: he was probably the most dangerous southpaw ever lived, it has been a mistake to fight him with so little experience; mostly, corrie used (not volountarily) his head as an anvil, with Wlado's head between his head and his hook, two times consequently; there are slow motion videos that shows that; Wlado didn't recover by that unusual strikes, but mostly his cornermans were totally unprofessional, they didn't know what he had to do to avoid or limit more damage, they didn't tell him nothing; still, even if floored 4 times, he was still on his foots when the referee (correctly) stopped the fight; he wasn't knokked out;


4-Out of the 3 losses, Lamont Brewster is the one that when mentioned clearly shows ignorance or biased options: Waldo has been poisoned, he seemed tired even before the start happened, he wasn't there with the head; He never had the full strenght, he was gassed out already at the start of the fight; Emmanuel Steward (whose words peoples don't listen, but they consider him the greatest, wtf?) said that he can recognize well the signs of punch stunnings, and that Waldo didn't have these signs; additionally, blood tests after the fight showed crazy sugar levels in the blood; other tests couldn't be made because the blood sample HAVE BEEN DESTROYED; it's true, it's all written; Waldo was poisoned in that fight, so to bring it as an example is utterly irrelevant and biased; and after that, go watch the Lamont Brewster 2 fight, the rematch: Wladimir must be Lamont's worst nightmare.
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Old 11-15-2012, 05:35 AM   #9
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how convienant...lol
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Old 11-15-2012, 05:36 AM   #10
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The points are:
1-wlad wasn't in the CHIN prime when all of his losses happened

2-Against Ross Puritty he totally gassed out in 8 rounds, shooting all that he got to obtain an impressive ko; unfortunately Ross Puritty had a monster chin, and also bomb fists; still, Wlad wasn't koed, to the contrary, he seemed totally indifferent to the bombs landing on his head, and finished on his foots; but his corner threw in the towel; Wlado was really disappointed for that stopping with his corner; and was really young and naive;

3- Corrie Sanders: he was probably the most dangerous southpaw ever lived, it has been a mistake to fight him with so little experience; mostly, corrie used (not volountarily) his head as an anvil, with Wlado's head between his head and his hook, two times consequently; there are slow motion videos that shows that; Wlado didn't recover by that unusual strikes, but mostly his cornermans were totally unprofessional, they didn't know what he had to do to avoid or limit more damage, they didn't tell him nothing; still, even if floored 4 times, he was still on his foots when the referee (correctly) stopped the fight; he wasn't knokked out;


4-Out of the 3 losses, Lamont Brewster is the one that when mentioned clearly shows ignorance or biased options: Waldo has been poisoned, he seemed tired even before the start happened, he wasn't there with the head; He never had the full strenght, he was gassed out already at the start of the fight; Emmanuel Steward (whose words peoples don't listen, but they consider him the greatest, wtf?) said that he can recognize well the signs of punch stunnings, and that Waldo didn't have these signs; additionally, blood tests after the fight showed crazy sugar levels in the blood; other tests couldn't be made because the blood sample HAVE BEEN DESTROYED; it's true, it's all written; Waldo was poisoned in that fight, so to bring it as an example is utterly irrelevant and biased; and after that, go watch the Lamont Brewster 2 fight, the rematch: Wladimir must be Lamont's worst nightmare.
oh my god this has to be a joke
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wlad wasn't in "the chin prime"

now i've heard it all
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Old 11-15-2012, 05:58 AM   #12
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oh my god this has to be a joke
Only for ignorants that doesn't knows **** about southpaws... please name some REAL hevyweight southpaw stronger than Ko'rrie
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wlad wasn't in "the chin prime"

now i've heard it all
You're a little in late, then
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The points are:
1-wlad wasn't in the CHIN prime when all of his losses happened

2-Against Ross Puritty he totally gassed out in 8 rounds, shooting all that he got to obtain an impressive ko; unfortunately Ross Puritty had a monster chin, and also bomb fists; still, Wlad wasn't koed, to the contrary, he seemed totally indifferent to the bombs landing on his head, and finished on his foots; but his corner threw in the towel; Wlado was really disappointed for that stopping with his corner; and was really young and naive;

3- Corrie Sanders: he was probably the most dangerous southpaw ever lived, it has been a mistake to fight him with so little experience; mostly, corrie used (not volountarily) his head as an anvil, with Wlado's head between his head and his hook, two times consequently; there are slow motion videos that shows that; Wlado didn't recover by that unusual strikes, but mostly his cornermans were totally unprofessional, they didn't know what he had to do to avoid or limit more damage, they didn't tell him nothing; still, even if floored 4 times, he was still on his foots when the referee (correctly) stopped the fight; he wasn't knokked out;


4-Out of the 3 losses, Lamont Brewster is the one that when mentioned clearly shows ignorance or biased options: Waldo has been poisoned, he seemed tired even before the start happened, he wasn't there with the head; He never had the full strenght, he was gassed out already at the start of the fight; Emmanuel Steward (whose words peoples don't listen, but they consider him the greatest, wtf?) said that he can recognize well the signs of punch stunnings, and that Waldo didn't have these signs; additionally, blood tests after the fight showed crazy sugar levels in the blood; other tests couldn't be made because the blood sample HAVE BEEN DESTROYED; it's true, it's all written; Waldo was poisoned in that fight, so to bring it as an example is utterly irrelevant and biased; and after that, go watch the Lamont Brewster 2 fight, the rematch: Wladimir must be Lamont's worst nightmare.
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Old 11-15-2012, 06:29 AM   #15
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"chin prime"

aahahhahhahahhahaha oh my ****ing lord hahahahahahahahah what the **** hahahahhahahha that's great.

****ing chin prime.
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