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Old 11-14-2012, 11:15 PM   #16
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He may even yes more, Burt.
Explain ?
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Old 11-14-2012, 11:24 PM   #18
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Hearns>Hagler
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Old 11-14-2012, 11:29 PM   #19
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What the heck do you know about jack Dempsey, that Sam Langford, Gene Tunney, Mickey Walker, Jack Sharkey, Max Schmeling, Ray Arcel, Lou Stillman, Damon Runyon, and the 200 boxing writers who voted him the best heavyweight in the 1950 poll didn't know ? Why would you distort history by
besmirching this great fighter and ignore the opinions of EXPERTS who saw him at his PRIME, and raved about his unique power, viciousness and
innate toughness.? It irks me to read this from someone who is BLIND to history,and who thinks "screw the people who saw him , fought him and
raved about one of the very toughest, meanest SOB's that ever stepped into a ring " .But you somehow no MORE...Oh well !.
Nice to see you back, Burt!
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Old 11-14-2012, 11:34 PM   #20
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Thanks S...Life gives us no other choice but to keep punching...
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Old 11-14-2012, 11:38 PM   #21
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Hagler, Foreman, and Frazier seem way too high to me.
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Old 11-15-2012, 01:43 AM   #22
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Yeah, Greb would lose to Tony Mundine.





















Why would you rank someone highly without knowing much about them? (Wilde)

Seems a waste of time making a list with no conviction.
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Old 11-15-2012, 01:45 AM   #23
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Actually, hideous list. Cervantes is in there?

Some guys have got too much reasoning....as if you know they're ludicrously placed.
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Old 11-15-2012, 04:56 AM   #24
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Actually, hideous list. Cervantes is in there?

Some guys have got too much reasoning....as if you know they're ludicrously placed.
Jheez! You must be clinically depressed or something, only looking for reasons to poke holes out of everything. You'd be great fun at a party!

It's my personal top 50, but I've also been inclined to include people who I don't really know much of but is usually seen in great regard out of respect for their achievements.
So yeah, Cervantes has my pick, but I also acknowledged that I'm a big fan, it doesn't mean I'm completely sure. Let's not forget what Cervantes has done also. He has great wins over Nicolino Locche, Esteban De Jesus, Alfonso Frazer and Saoul Mamby, Rodolfo Gonzalez, as well as numerous other title defenses. Aaron Pryor beat Cervantes based on his speed. Cervantes was not in his prime anymore. 9 of his 12 losses were in the first portion of his career against bums and of course he avenged his loss against Locche. I think Kid Pambele is underrated. It's quite something to go from living in the slums, being a bum level fighter to a world class fighter who defended his title multiple times.

The comments I made over some i.e mayweather, de la hoya is to address people who would probably question the new-timers as they're always the ones under scrutiny. There's always a Bert Sugar like person mentally masturbating about old timers.

I disagree that this is a hideous list. For it to be 'hideous', I would have had to make MANY errors. I don't believe I have made what would be considered as 'many errors'. Maybe 'change your word to describe this' lol 'Dominant' comes to mind.
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Old 11-15-2012, 04:57 AM   #25
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Old 11-15-2012, 05:00 AM   #26
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My two biggest problem with the list: Ezz isn't on it, Dempsey is.
I thought I had a problem with Dempsey rating him pretty low relative to everyone elses lists haha

What's your reason for him not even making top 50?
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Hearns>Hagler
I'm pretty sure you're one of the small minority who'd put Hearns above Hagler.
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Old 11-15-2012, 05:09 AM   #28
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Are you surprised that your list has been scrutinised? What did you expect when you posted it?
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Are you surprised that your list has been scrutinised? What did you expect when you posted it?
Scrutiny is fine. But there's a difference between the way you scrutinise and the way the others scrutinise. Go and read for yourself. Your scrutiny comes with oestrogen fuelled negativity lol
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Old 11-15-2012, 06:01 AM   #30
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Bob Fitzsimmons is a top 10 P4P guy, top 15 at worst.
Man, anyone who has him at #12 doesn't know their ass from their elbow.

Top 5, top 10 at worst.
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