lennox's resume is hardly better than wlad's

[theboss]

Originally Posted by Maximus

No, the fallacy would be if your argument is that Wlad's opponents will all go on to be ATGs, world champs and Hall of Famers, despite their being no evidence to back that up, and Lewis beat most of his opponents when they had already had succesful careers or were being thought of as Hall of Famers. The win over Vitali doesn't add much to his legacy (although it is one of his best wins in hindsight), he was already a certain ATG at that point and he would never get near Ali and Louis.

Their oponents won't go on to any of this . Not because they dont match up well with past eras but because the KLITS have been so dominant . The cause and effect have these clowns confused .

[Maximus]

Originally Posted by theboss

Their oponents won't go on to any of this . Not because they dont match up well with past eras but because the KLITS have been so dominant . The cause and effect have these clowns confused .

How can two fighters 'dominate' the same division at the same time? I've asked this question many times but a Klitard is yet to answer.

My version of domination is what Lewis did to Vitali's face btw.

[theboss]

Originally Posted by Maximus

Lewis was viewed by some as too thoughtful, especially coming after the Tyson whirlwind. He was always far more aggressive than this version of Wlad though.

VLAD has lost less rounds and KOed more oponents and has actually had more fights over a longer reign then LL . get over it .

[theboss]

Originally Posted by Maximus

How can two fighters 'dominate' the same division at the same time? I've asked this question many times but a Klitard is yet to answer.

My version of domination is what Lewis did to Vitali's face btw.

Your version of domination is you getting bent over and taking a cock up your ass .

[Manning]

Originally Posted by thesandman

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[madballster]

Originally Posted by Maximus

Hall of Famers, despite their being no evidence to back that up

You mean like there was evidence that Vitali Klitschko was going to be a HOFer right after Lennox tore his face off? You assume the evidence is always clear cut (pun intended) and that's obviously wrong.

Originally Posted by Maximus

Lewis beat most of his opponents when they had already had succesful careers or were being thought of as Hall of Famers.

Critics would point out that with the exception of Vitali, Lennox big name wins never achieved much after losing to him and were therefore way past their best. Again, you can't have it both ways.

We will only know the final historical standing of Wlad's opponents long after Wlad retires. Like it or not, but that's how things work. Note that I am not one of those deluded guys who claim Wlad's resume is better than Lennox'. All I am saying is it's too early to tell. Wlad has to add more meat to his resume, but he still has time to do so. Or maybe he gets knocked out by another random bum and his resume will get torn to shreds over it.

We won't know until we know.

[Maximus]

Originally Posted by theboss

VLAD has lost less rounds and KOed more oponents and has actually had more fights over a longer reign then LL . get over it .

Ah yes, the Klitard ATG criteria, rounds won, fights against southpaws, longer title reins, KO ratio. The rest of us who considered level of opposition and clearing out your division as ATG criteria have been wrong all this time

[Manning]

Originally Posted by madballster

How do you know how many of Wlad's past and future opponents will make it into the HOF

There lies the fallacy of your argument.

When Lennox demolished Vitali nobody thought it was a meaningful win for his resume. Now - 10 years later - it looks like one of his best wins altogether.

Vitali is by far Lewis's best win. That should be quite clear to everybody.

[theboss]

Originally Posted by Maximus

Ah yes, the Klitard ATG criteria, rounds won, fights against southpaws, longer title reins, KO ratio. The rest of us who considered level of opposition and clearing out your division as ATG criteria have been wrong all this time

They bias way you tards evaluate fighters opposition is whats retarded .

[darwoody]

Ruddock
Golota
Holyfield
Klitschko
Tua
Mercer

Are all better wins than any Wlad has on his resume.
So yeah, you're talking shit.

[MrMagic]

[MrMagic]

Wladimirs record is hardly deeper than Vitali, let alone Lennox.

[Maximus]

Originally Posted by madballster

You mean like there was evidence that Vitali Klitschko was going to be a HOFer right after Lennox tore his face off? You assume the evidence is always clear cut and that's obviously wrong.

Critics would point out that with the exception of Vitali, Lennox big name wins never achieved much after losing to him and were therefore way past their best. Again, you can't have it both ways.

We will only know the final historical standing of Wlad's opponents long after Wlad retires. Like it or not, but that's how things work. Note that I am not one of those deluded guys who claim Wlad's resume is better than Lennox'. All I am saying is it's too early to tell. Wlad has to add more meat to his resume, but he still has time to do so. Or maybe he gets knocked out by another random bum and his resume will get torn to shreds over it.

We won't know until we know.

You are assuming Vitali will be a Hall of Famer, his resume and sharing of the division would suggest otherwise in most reasonable fans books. I'm not sure mythical H2H status ensures you a place, but then playing a boxer in a movie is enough so who knows. There's always the 'Barry McGuigan Precedent' I guess.

As for the final historical standing of Wlad's opponents, please name one that you think will even get near the HOF at this point (I'll give you Byrd maybe). Without laughing if possible. Most of the guys touted as potential champs have been avoided by both Klits so far, although I think the likes of Price, Fury and Helennius will turn out to be B level eventually anyway.

[theboss]

Originally Posted by Maximus

You are assuming Vitali will be a Hall of Famer, his resume and sharing of the division would suggest otherwise in most reasonable fans books. I'm not sure mythical H2H status ensures you a place, but then playing a boxer in a movie is enough so who knows. There's always the 'Barry McGuigan Precedent' I guess.

As for the final historical standing of Wlad's opponents, please name one that you think will even get near the HOF at this point (I'll give you Byrd maybe). Without laughing if possible. Most of the guys touted as potential champs have been avoided by both Klits so far, although I think the likes of Price, Fury and Helennius will turn out to be B level eventually anyway.

Keep grasping .

[theboss]

The day LL retired there was suddenly no more good fighters . We got it .