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Old 11-15-2012, 05:48 AM   #16
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Default Re: When will people realize Wlad was not in his prime when he lost 3 times?

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"chin prime"

aahahhahhahahhahaha oh my ****ing lord hahahahahahahahah what the **** hahahahhahahha that's great.

****ing chin prime.


i spat my water out reading that reply
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Old 11-15-2012, 05:54 AM   #17
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hahaha! Chin prime, legend.
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Old 11-15-2012, 07:03 AM   #18
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Wlad had the false trainer in his corner until 2004.

Wlad learned how to be a better fighter with Emanuel Steward since 2004-2012. He learned what is important.
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Old 11-15-2012, 07:08 AM   #19
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Wlad was prime for his two losses to Brewster and Sanders, but even though he had quite a record prior to Purrity, his LOC was shit. His best win prior to his Purrity loss was Steve Pannell, a fat CW who had been blown out each time he fought about the D level. Shaheed was a can crushing prospect until Wlad checked his chin, and semi promising prospects Cody Koch and Mark McIntire were also exposed by Wlad and essentially ended as a result.
Yeah, before Purrity, Wlad was essentially a can crusher. But he was certianly crushing them at a rate any recycling center would be proud of.
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Old 11-15-2012, 07:09 AM   #20
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Wlad's prime started post 2006 when his training with Manny Steward finally started to pay dividends, and he began to understand the system. Wladimir has improved A TON since 2004. I think to any non bias observer, it should be clear that Wladimir is a much better fighter now than 10 years ago.


So, my question is, when will people stop bringing up losses that happened 9-14 years ago to a completely different fighter?
The question is why are you arguing with furniture?
These people's opinions aren't worth anything in the grand scheme of things.
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Old 11-15-2012, 07:28 AM   #21
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The question is why are you arguing with furniture?
These people's opinions aren't worth anything in the grand scheme of things.
how are you going to get a richer perspective on boxing as a whole if you dont see what everyone else has to say?
thats what forums like this are for
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Old 11-15-2012, 07:51 AM   #22
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Wlad had the false trainer in his corner until 2004.

Wlad learned how to be a better fighter with Emanuel Steward since 2004-2012. He learned what is important.
Wlad lost with Steward in his corner as his head coach. FACT.
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Old 11-15-2012, 07:51 AM   #23
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Chin prime

Klitard quote of the year, possibly decade surely.
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Old 11-15-2012, 07:53 AM   #24
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how are you going to get a richer perspective on boxing as a whole if you dont see what everyone else has to say?
thats what forums like this are for
RICHER perspective?
I feel excessively wealthy already with the amount of "Sanders KO'd" him I have to read every day
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Old 11-15-2012, 07:54 AM   #25
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I believe the idea of prime (when a fighter is at their peak) is sometimes mistakenly judged purely on age and experience. That's understandable given practically all fighters have a prime somewhere between 25-32 years old, and beginning somewhere around their 20th-30th fights. However, in some cases it should be recognised that these criteria don't always tell the whole story. Wladimir is a good example. He was reasonably experienced when he took those losses (certainly by the Brewster fight he'd already had a number of fights at a decent level) and clearly he wasn't too young or too old to be outside of his prime in a strict physical sense, but quite obviously he wasn't the best version of Wladimir Klitschko when he stepped into the ring to fight Sanders and Brewster. Time has shown that.

It's dishonest for a boxing fan to claim Wlad was prime when he lost those fights, unless prime is only meant to mean physical prime. In which case Tyson was still in his prime when he lost to Holyfield, and few boxing fans would actually argue for that being the case
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Old 11-15-2012, 07:57 AM   #26
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wlad had to redefine the way he fought because of the sanders loss - it had nothing at all to do with prime


It was a learning experience for him. And he understood what he had to do to become a top top fighter.

Its more of a credit to him what he has achieved when you consider the manner in which he lost in his earlier career. He knew what he needed to do and did it.
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Old 11-15-2012, 08:35 AM   #27
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Wlads biggest weaknesses are Durability, Stamina, and Panic Attacks. Unfortunately for Wladimir. He has panic attacks like with Brewster and Puritty. Wladimir Klitschko has not been taking on aggressive punchers since a crude Sam Peter, who floored him 3 times. Lamon Brewster actually said in a interview "I have never seen a fighter with as weak a jaw as wladimir klitschko. emanuel steward as done a great job covering up his chin. But it is so weak." Lamon further commented on how he barely landed on wlads chin at one point and he saw wlads legs shake all the way down and wlad got glassy eyed. These things don't change and he's not fighting anyone as capable of exploiting them. In short, Vitali KO5 Volo, prime for prime.
You are talking like it's 7-8 years ago. He does not have those problems now.
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Old 11-15-2012, 08:57 AM   #28
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Its all semantics. He was certainly in his physical prime, but had not learned his winning style yet, and as Boxed Ears said, had not learned to control his nerves.

He will probably not lose again, and retire with a very respectable record. His career had a very strange arc to it, and that is all.

Bottom line- with wins over fellow champs like like Byrd, Brewster, Mercer, Chagaev, Ibragimov, Rahmen, and Haye, he will be remembered as a great fighter.
I agree.

Physical prime... most definetly, styalistic prime... not at all.

After the 3 losses he sustained the blue print to beat Wlad is... take punishment but last through it and you will get the advantage when he gasses out (corrie sanders was the exception)

Now... There is no blue print, The fighters that beat Wlad wouldn't be able to accomplish it had the fights happened in today's world (RIP Corrie).

Even Historically the only fighters that i would consider better in H2H vs Wlad are Lennox and Vitaly (you need size). I would give a fair chance to Tyson, Bowe, Forman....and a minor chance to Holyfield and Ali... and a punchers chance to any other heavyweight.
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Old 11-15-2012, 09:25 AM   #29
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Wlad lost with Steward in his corner as his head coach. FACT.
Sdunek was the conditioning coach in this fight.

After this fight Sdunek was fired and Wlad worked with Steward alone. Since than he improves as a fighter.

Last fight with Sdunek in his corner last loss. Fact.

Sdunek was the reason for Wlad´s losses. Sdunek never teaches fighter a good defence, none of Sdunek fighters had a good defence (Vitali is a special fighter which has nothing to do with Sdunek.).

Watch Dimitrenko vs. Chambers, Dimitrenko does not know how to protect himself like Wlad in his fight against Sanders and Puritty.

With Emanuel Steward in his corner Wlad learned how to react when hit, better footwork, better movement, he improves as a fighter.
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Old 11-15-2012, 10:31 AM   #30
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Wlads biggest weaknesses are Durability, Stamina, and Panic Attacks. Unfortunately for Wladimir. He has panic attacks like with Brewster and Puritty. Wladimir Klitschko has not been taking on aggressive punchers since a crude Sam Peter, who floored him 3 times. Lamon Brewster actually said in a interview "I have never seen a fighter with as weak a jaw as wladimir klitschko. emanuel steward as done a great job covering up his chin. But it is so weak." Lamon further commented on how he barely landed on wlads chin at one point and he saw wlads legs shake all the way down and wlad got glassy eyed. These things don't change and he's not fighting anyone as capable of exploiting them. In short, Vitali KO5 Volo, prime for prime.
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Wladimir Klitschko has not been taking on aggressive punchers
That's funny. He only took on the best puncher/finisher in the heavyweight division in the last 5 years in David Haye.

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Wlads biggest weaknesses are Durability, Stamina, and Panic Attacks.
We haven't seen any of these in the past 8 years because he has CHANGED as a fighter

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These things don't change and he's not fighting anyone as capable of exploiting them.
He's only fighting the best the division has to offer.


O, I forgot. You want him to fight chris fat arreola right? The guy who lost too tomasz averagemek Those are vitalis two best wins right?

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Yes they do, Wlad has improved more than any other fighter in the past 10 years.

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. In short, Vitali KO5 Volo, prime for prime.

In short, in a match between 2010 wladimir klitschko vs 2003 vitali klitschko....Wlad outboxes vitali all night for a clear unanimous decision
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