My 50 Greatest boxers of all time

[Colonel Sanders]

Originally Posted by anj

Top 50 was difficult, Top 100 will be way too mentally taxing at the moment.

Disclaimer: I don't claim to be an expert whatsoever, and as I learn more about boxing I'd most likely change this in the future. ALSO, this didn't take me that long so I might realise certain things and want to change up. Here goes:

My PERSONAL top 50:
SRR
Ali
Armstrong
Louis
Duran
Tunney
Greb (if brought up in the same generation as Monzon, he'd lose)
Benny Leonard
Johnson
Langford
Gans
Pep
Leonard
Moore
Walker (probably the most interesting resume, especially the weight lol)
Monzon
E. Charles - most comfortable putting him here.
McLarnin
Ross
Canzoneri
Ambers (unsure but hey)
Hagler
Napoles
Wilde (I don't actually know much about him tbh)
Holmes
Dempsey (yes, that's right).
Saddler
Marciano
Sanchez
Foreman
Hearns
Chavez
Frazier
De La Hoya (Leija, J.J.Molina, Paez, Ruelas, G.Hernandez, Trinidad, Quartey, narrow loss to a prime Mosley on steroids but we all know he won on the rematch, with virtually all experts and Mosley even say De La Hoya won, Whitaker, Whitaker looked fast and ODLH landed more power punches so I think ODLH won IMO, Vargas on steroids who was a beast, Camacho, Campas, Chavez who was still great, only legitimate losses in my eyes were against Hopkins and Sturm - and I think he was past his prime at that time also and had no business being at middleweight!) - How many have a resume consisting of this many elite/great fighters like ODLH on this list?)
McGovern
Cerdan
Lewis
Ted Kid Lewis
Holyfield
Spinks
LaMotta
Jones Jr
Hopkins
Griffith
Mayweather (I have Mayweather beating Hearns and Benitez. Duran vs Mayweather and Leonard vs Mayweather will be a very tough one to call - although I have him lower than some of the 90's-2000's stars of all weight divisions, I have him as the best fighter of the generation. I am sure he'd beat Pacquiao, Barrera, Morales, Tszyu, Hamed, Ayala, Whitaker you name them. I'm not completely sure if he can beat Napoles although I'm more inclined to say he can, it would be a dream matchup). Obviously because of natural progression in the sport, I have Mayweather beating someone like Benny Leonard too, but obviously Benny is 'greater' p4p. Another reason why I say this because sparring sessions and the way they fought back then seemed a little inferior. I'm probably stating the obvious here Having said that, I have prime Robinson beating Mayweather).
Conn
Whitaker
Pacquiao (Pacquiao has a better legacy than Mayweather but still...)
Arguello
Cervantes (maybe, maybe not. Huge fan of the guy).


Don't know enough about Kid Galivan, Eder Jofre or Fighting Harada.

no Mikkel Kessler and Zab Judah ? your top 50 is a joke

[anj]

Originally Posted by Colonel Sanders

no Mikkel Kessler and Zab Judah ? your top 50 is a joke

Judah and Kessler as well as the likes of Brandon Rios, Antonio Margarito and Juan Urango are still in my top 60, don't you worry.
I have Zab Judah up there, ahead of the likes of Aaron Pryor, Benitez etc.
Kessler is greater than Bob Fitzsimmons.

[LancsTerrible]

Nice 50 fighters. What order would you put them in?

[burt bienstock]

Originally Posted by Pachilles

The truth shall set ye free !

[anj]

Originally Posted by Seamus

Bob Fitzsimmons is a top 10 P4P guy, top 15 at worst.

Meh, I could have forgotten Stanley Ketchel on the list.

[Flea Man]

Cerdan shouldn't make a top 100 IMO. Unless it's 'top 100 most famous boxers'. Might make it then.

[Seamus]

Originally Posted by anj

Meh, I could have forgotten Stanley Ketchel on the list.

Fitz is an echelon above Ketchel.

[NoNeck]

Originally Posted by anj

I'm pretty sure you're one of the small minority who'd put Hearns above Hagler.

beating Leonard and, more importantly, Virgil Hill late in his career absolutely does it for me. I like Hagler a lot, but I don't think his resume is that great. I'd put Hopkins above him.

[PowerPuncher]

Originally Posted by Pachilles

Records bar humbug, what the hell do you know about the gramophone Pachilles? Now that's when sound was at it's peak, new fangled shiny CDs and digital downloads, experts of the 1920s new better, just look at a poll in the 1920s, it doesn't even mention a digial download once

[the cobra]

Originally Posted by burt bienstock

What the heck do you know about jack Dempsey, that Sam Langford, Gene Tunney, Mickey Walker, Jack Sharkey, Max Schmeling, Ray Arcel, Lou Stillman, Damon Runyon, and the 200 boxing writers who voted him the best heavyweight in the 1950 poll didn't know ? Why would you distort history by
besmirching this great fighter and ignore the opinions of EXPERTS who saw him at his PRIME, and raved about his unique power, viciousness and
innate toughness.? It irks me to read this from someone who is BLIND to history,and who thinks "screw the people who saw him , fought him and
raved about one of the very toughest, meanest SOB's that ever stepped into a ring " .But you somehow no MORE...Oh well !.

Much MORE, Burt, much MORE.

[Flea Man]

Originally Posted by PowerPuncher

Records bar humbug, what the hell do you know about the gramophone Pachilles? Now that's when sound was at it's peak, new fangled shiny CDs and digital downloads, experts of the 1920s new better, just look at a poll in the 1920s, it doesn't even mention a digial download once

Vinyl does sound better though and music is abysmal nowadays.

[Unforgiven]

Originally Posted by NoNeck

beating Leonard and, more importantly, Virgil Hill late in his career absolutely does it for me.

Sandwiched between two losses to Iran Barkley.

I'd rate Hagler above Hearns too, as would most here - (I think).
I'd be in the minority ranking Hagler above Leonard though, so it's swings and roundabouts.

[anj]

Originally Posted by orriray59

Obviously every list has flaws, as does yours. Your comment about Floyd beating Hearns was downright stupid shit though, sorry to say. Is that Jack Johnson up that high? I personally wouldn't even rank him that high as a heavyweight, nevermind all time.

I don't see why he wouldn't. Tommy would provide the onslaught for the first few rounds, but Mayweather has a good chin and is the KING of defense. He'd defend himself better than any fighter on Tommy's resume ever could.
After this, Mayweather will just take advantage of Tommy. Ok, he won't pull a Corrales on Tommy, but he'd certainly control the pace and beat him on accuracy. A Mayweather win 7-5 UD.

I do question my Jack Johnson ranking. Jack Johnson was unbeaten for a very long time and they just could not fight any fighters to fight him...however, a lot of the great fighters he fought were like 20lbs+ less in weight.

[Flea Man]

Oh, my fucking word. Hearns is a shocking matchup for Floyd, there is no hope for you.

King of defence Tommy's jab would see him cruise to an easy decision. Floyd is open for the right hand more than Benitez IMO and at welter Tommy's hands were better than tey were at 154 (if we're going by best defensivefighter faced) I'd be happy to say that if Shane Mosley can stun Floyd then Tommy can decimate him.

And people wonder why I say Floyd is overrated.

[Hands of Iron]

Arguably the worst fucking matchup imaginable for him.