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Old 11-15-2012, 10:36 AM   #31
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The points are:
1-wlad wasn't in the CHIN prime when all of his losses happened

2-Against Ross Puritty he totally gassed out in 8 rounds, shooting all that he got to obtain an impressive ko; unfortunately Ross Puritty had a monster chin, and also bomb fists; still, Wlad wasn't koed, to the contrary, he seemed totally indifferent to the bombs landing on his head, and finished on his foots; but his corner threw in the towel; Wlado was really disappointed for that stopping with his corner; and was really young and naive;

3- Corrie Sanders: he was probably the most dangerous southpaw ever lived, it has been a mistake to fight him with so little experience; mostly, corrie used (not volountarily) his head as an anvil, with Wlado's head between his head and his hook, two times consequently; there are slow motion videos that shows that; Wlado didn't recover by that unusual strikes, but mostly his cornermans were totally unprofessional, they didn't know what he had to do to avoid or limit more damage, they didn't tell him nothing; still, even if floored 4 times, he was still on his foots when the referee (correctly) stopped the fight; he wasn't knokked out;


4-Out of the 3 losses, Lamont Brewster is the one that when mentioned clearly shows ignorance or biased options: Waldo has been poisoned, he seemed tired even before the start happened, he wasn't there with the head; He never had the full strenght, he was gassed out already at the start of the fight; Emmanuel Steward (whose words peoples don't listen, but they consider him the greatest, wtf?) said that he can recognize well the signs of punch stunnings, and that Waldo didn't have these signs; additionally, blood tests after the fight showed crazy sugar levels in the blood; other tests couldn't be made because the blood sample HAVE BEEN DESTROYED; it's true, it's all written; Waldo was poisoned in that fight, so to bring it as an example is utterly irrelevant and biased; and after that, go watch the Lamont Brewster 2 fight, the rematch: Wladimir must be Lamont's worst nightmare.
I like Wladimir but this has to be a joke.
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Old 11-15-2012, 10:50 AM   #32
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oh my god this has to be a joke
i heard worse i remember some poster here said that ross purrity is p4p the hardest puncher who ever lived
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Old 11-15-2012, 10:50 AM   #33
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Default Re: When will people realize Wlad was not in his prime when he lost 3 times?

Guys, it's as simple as this:

There's a reason Wladimir hasn't lost in the last 8.5 years, in which time he's faced better opponents than those he previously lost to, it's because WLADIMIR IS BETTER NOW.

DEAL WITH IT.

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Old 11-15-2012, 11:11 AM   #34
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You are talking like it's 7-8 years ago. He does not have those problems now.
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That's funny. He only took on the best puncher/finisher in the heavyweight division in the last 5 years in David Haye.



We haven't seen any of these in the past 8 years because he has CHANGED as a fighter



He's only fighting the best the division has to offer.


O, I forgot. You want him to fight chris fat arreola right? The guy who lost too tomasz averagemek Those are vitalis two best wins right?



Yes they do, Wlad has improved more than any other fighter in the past 10 years.




In short, in a match between 2010 wladimir klitschko vs 2003 vitali klitschko....Wlad outboxes vitali all night for a clear unanimous decision
Haye wasn't aggressive like specified. Taking one punch while moving away from a non-aggressive Haye proves nothing. But, since I took all but the last few lines from comments you made in late 2009...

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Wlads biggest weaknesses are Durability, Stamina, and Panic Attacks. Unfortunetley for Wladimir..Marcianos biggest strengths(Punching Power, Relentless pressure, and high volume of punches) are kryptonite to wlads biggest weaknesses. Marciano has the power to knock wlad out, the relentless pressure to force wlad to tire, and has the high volume of non stop punching and will to force wladimir into a panic attack like brewster and purrity did. Only few fighters in history have the tools to make wlad pay for these weaknesses and Marciano is one of them. Lately Wladimir Klitschko has not been taking on aggresive punchers. In fact the last one he did take on Crude Sam peter floored him 3 times.


I like Rocky in this one by mid round-late stoppage. Rocky is a horrible matchup for Wladimir. The fight will start with Wlad coming in, but being extremley bewildered as marcianos comes in low at the crouch bending down and weaving at all angles frustrating the hell out of wlad who finds it much easier to land his jab on the men standing up. Marciano slowly makes his way inside as the fight progresses, a couple big shots on the chin followed by a suzy Q and wlad is down. Wlad gets up and marciano continues to pour on the pressure...now wlad is in panic mode he suddenly goes down again. Now he is huffing and buffing looking for air. He is lost. What is going on? he gets up one more time stumbles and the referee stops the fight.
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In regards to brewster,

I am a huge wlad fan but even I admit brewster was WAY past it for the rematch. coming off a detached retina. the only live version of brewster wlad fought, brewster knocked wlad out. Brewster is nowhere near marcianos class, yet brewsters non stop will aggresion and punching power forced wlad into panic mode, WITH emanuel steward in his corner. Marciano is a step above brewster in these categories.


Lamon Brewster actually said in a interview "I have never seen a fighter with as weak a jaw as wladimir klitschko. emanuel steward as done a great job covering up his chin. But it is so weak." Lamon further commented on how he barely landed on wlads chin at one point and he saw wlads legs shake all the way down and wlad got glassy eyed.


I don't know if I agree with this, but it is interesting nonetheless.
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Old 11-15-2012, 11:25 AM   #35
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Wlad's prime started post 2006 when his training with Manny Steward finally started to pay dividends, and he began to understand the system. Wladimir has improved A TON since 2004. I think to any non bias observer, it should be clear that Wladimir is a much better fighter now than 10 years ago.


So, my question is, when will people stop bringing up losses that happened 9-14 years ago to a completely different fighter?
Never man, Pac still get pointed for his ko lost from when he was 12.
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Old 11-15-2012, 11:28 AM   #36
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Guys, it's as simple as this:

There's a reason Wladimir hasn't lost in the last 8.5 years, in which time he's faced better opponents than those he previously lost to, it's because WLADIMIR IS BETTER NOW.

DEAL WITH IT.

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He wasn't in his chin prime.
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Old 11-15-2012, 11:36 AM   #38
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A lot has changed in 3 years boxed ears. A lot. Wladimir made me a believer.
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Old 11-15-2012, 11:40 AM   #39
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Guys, it's as simple as this:

There's a reason Wladimir hasn't lost in the last 8.5 years, in which time he's faced better opponents than those he previously lost to, it's because WLADIMIR IS BETTER NOW.

DEAL WITH IT.

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And this man was his teacher:


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Old 11-15-2012, 12:03 PM   #40
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he was in his physical prime (a massive prime btw) but his peak years have certainly been from 06 onwards.

He gassed v purrity when inexperienced over that distance. He ****ed up against Brewster but took the rematch. Sander straight pushed his shit in and I see no reason to ever expect a different outcome between the two.
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Old 11-15-2012, 01:17 PM   #41
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wlad had to redefine the way he fought because of the sanders loss - it had nothing at all to do with prime
this.

thread starter needs to learn what "prime" means
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Old 11-15-2012, 01:32 PM   #42
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It's interesting how people acknowledge that Wlad's STYLE was completely different for his losses and before the first Sam Peter fight (most people say the old style was more entertaining and long for its return), yet they're unwilling to say Wlad's adoption of his dominant current style correlates with coming into his prime.

If a dramatic stylistic change that results in a historic reign of dominance following two recent losses doesn't indicate a fighter just may have "entered his prime," then what does?
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And I'm pretty sure "chin prime" was a joke. Surely... Right?
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It's interesting how people acknowledge that Wlad's STYLE was completely different for his losses and before the first Sam Peter fight (most people say the old style was more entertaining and long for its return), yet they're unwilling to say Wlad's adoption of his dominant current style correlates with coming into his prime.

If a dramatic stylistic change that results in a historic reign of dominance following two recent losses doesn't indicate a fighter just may have "entered his prime," then what does?
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he was in his physical prime (a massive prime btw) but his peak years have certainly been from 06 onwards.

He gassed v purrity when inexperienced over that distance. He ****ed up against Brewster but took the rematch. Sander straight pushed his shit in and I see no reason to ever expect a different outcome between the two.
I'd argue that his physical prime is the last 6-7 years.
Wlad trains completely different now, he spars a lot more, swims, better diet, etc... which gives him more stamina than he had before.
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