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Old 11-15-2012, 02:03 PM   #61
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Hearns comprehensively outboxing Leonard over the course of 12 rounds proves more than anything Floyd's done. Doing the same and finishing the job against Benitez further illustrates it. Hearns is a far superior practitioner for my money, and here holds every physical advantage on top of devastating power. If I don't like Robinson to outbox him, and give Pea an even lesser chance... Floyd can get ****ed.
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Old 11-15-2012, 03:53 PM   #62
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Hearns would stop Mayweather. I'd be really confident in that. He'd jab him silly and would have plenty of success dropping the right hand down passed Floyd's shoulder and wouldn't be wary at all of return fire. Horrible, God awful fight for Mayweather. I'd expect it to be short.
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Old 11-15-2012, 04:23 PM   #63
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Really? If Hearns isn't made to beat Mayweather, nobody is. I couldn't possibly imagine a better fighter to beat Floyd than Hearns.

Yeah, he sure seemed to be a more versatile and adept defensive wizard than Benitez when he was being tagged against Ortiz, Cotto, Hatton, Castillo, etc.
Also nice to see him backing to the ropes and falling back in straight lines.


There's this one lad, Wilfredo Benitez? Perhaps you've heard of him, no? He seemed to pretty decent at that defense business.

Oh, great analysis. Mayweather would just.... Inconceivably take advantage of Hearns. He'd just do it, wouldn't he? Without thinking how, we know he'd just end up getting the better for no apparent reason. Right.
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Ah, Floyd's accurate so he'd win. Yup.


Aye, he went unbeaten for a long t- Waaait a minute there, didn't he lose his third fight? Then his tenth? Then his thirteenth?
And he also refused to fight many other fighters when he took the title. Admittedly he'd already beaten them before, but that's not to say they hadn't drastically improved.

Johnson flat out shouldn't be there.

I haven't heard of Wilfredo Benitez. Wilfred Benitez...maybe lol
I think Leonard is a better fighter to beat Floyd.
Cotto fight - He chose to come forward. Floyd is not a come forward fighter. He was barely being tagged by Ortiz. What about his defensive display against De La Hoya, and all his other great defensive performances? Let's not underrate the skill that has made Mayweather the best in his generation. Besides, during the days of Castillo, Mayweather was a bit more come-forward than he was in say 2010. Yes, Benitez did seem to be pretty decent at defense, I still very much prefer Mayweather as far as defensive fighters go.

Simply put, I think Mayweather would take advantage of Hearn's lack of defense when Hearns is on the attack, with his slick counter punching.

lol, weird logic..'we know he'd just end up getting the better for no apparent reason. Right' - putting words into my mouth as though I stated it was for no reason.

Obviously I think Hearns 'could' use his reach and hard punching to take the sting out of Mayweather and land a win over him. I just don't think it'll happen though.

Mayweather is great off the ropes. See De La Hoya's fight and Sharmba Mitchell's fight.

It is somewhat of an open fight, but I still have Mayweather winning 7 times out of 10.

Selective oriray59 at it again. Fails to mention that his first losses were avenged/doesn't even matter as Johnson went on to be dominant.

I am skeptical of Johnson I admit, I mean imagine someone like David Haye at cruiserweight 200lbs going up against Sergio Martinez - Martinez will get raped....Johnson was over 200lbs, Philly O'Brien was 160lbs ish - they drew.

'Aye, he went unbeaten for a long t- Waaait a minute there'...You may finish the word my friend, time.
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Old 11-15-2012, 04:34 PM   #64
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These lists are stupid. My problem with pound-for-pound and all time boxer lists is that in actual matchups the heavyweights would always win so why include other boxers from other weight classes....

Ali
Wladimir
Louis
Marciano
Foreman
Tunney
Dempsey

These guys would destroy Robinson, Leonard, Chavez, Armstrong etc.
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Old 11-15-2012, 04:39 PM   #65
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These lists are stupid. My problem with pound-for-pound and all time boxer lists is that in actual matchups the heavyweights would always win so why include other boxers from other weight classes....

Ali
Wladimir
Louis
Marciano
Foreman
Tunney
Dempsey

These guys would destroy Robinson, Leonard, Chavez, Armstrong etc.
I don't think you properly understand the concept of pound for pound.
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Old 11-15-2012, 04:54 PM   #66
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Wilfred Benitez's name is WILFREDO anj
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Old 11-15-2012, 04:59 PM   #67
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These P4P lists were invented so we could rank fighters fairly regardless of what weight class they fight in.

That seems to have flown over your head, though.
So what's with the fixation of placing Johnson and Dempsey higher on these things than they should garner on a Heavyweight list? They're inferior to somebody like Mike Tyson in virtually every way imaginable and I wouldnt even rate him close to Top 50. It's unintentionally hilarious... And sick.

Consider placing them outside the Top 100.
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Old 11-15-2012, 05:05 PM   #68
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So what's with the fixation of placing Johnson and Dempsey higher on these things than they should garner on a Heavyweight list? They're inferior to somebody like Mike Tyson in virtually every way imaginable and I wouldnt even rate him close to Top 50. It's unintentionally hilarious... And sick.

Consider placing them outside the Top 100.
Agree with every.single.word

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Old 11-15-2012, 05:18 PM   #69
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Boxing News' top 100 special had Yuh ahead of Chang and Fighting Harada didn't make the list?!?! I was fuming

And yes mate I'm a massive fan. Can't wait to see who Walt is taking down with that gun...hope it's not Hank!!!
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Old 11-15-2012, 05:44 PM   #70
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Yeah, me too
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Old 11-16-2012, 10:32 AM   #71
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These P4P lists were invented so we could rank fighters fairly regardless of what weight class they fight in.

That seems to have flown over your head, though.

Oh....okay now I understand.

So then who is the greatest P4P NBA basketball team?.....NFL football team?..... NHL hockey team?..... In fact which country has the greatest P4P armed forces?

Only in boxing do we project that a 112 pounder can beat a 200 pounder in one on one competition.
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Old 11-16-2012, 11:03 AM   #72
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Cerdan shouldn't make a top 100 IMO. Unless it's 'top 100 most famous boxers'. Might make it then.
For lack of high-level competition?
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For lack of high-level competition?
Look at the best names he beat. Weren't at their best.
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Old 11-16-2012, 12:28 PM   #74
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Look at the best names he beat. Weren't at their best.

I agree, just curious on exactly why you thought so.
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Old 11-16-2012, 02:32 PM   #75
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Sandwiched between two losses to Iran Barkley.

I'd rate Hagler above Hearns too, as would most here - (I think).
I'd be in the minority ranking Hagler above Leonard though, so it's swings and roundabouts.
On his best night, Hagler was great and I like him as a person more than just about any boxer. I feel like his place falls off a lot if it isn't a discussion of best middleweights or best chins though. Plenty of fighters who jump weightclasses have equalled or exceeded his accomplishments, they just don't have the accomplishments in one weightclass.
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