2012:Wlad's lost year

[madpuppy]

Originally Posted by Faerun

Their demands go way, WAY beyond anything in the business. Why the hell are you defending a blatant slave contract? Your devotion to K2 surely can't delude you that bad, can it? I want you to listen up: Even if you beat Wlad, in which case YOU were the undisputed champ, K2 Promotions would stage the next two mandatory fights against either Klit with you on the financially short end. So if you want to be the champ, you have to beat the Klits three consecutive times and fight by their rules, their location and their visionnof how the money is split.

I would say that every single fighter that Wlad fought in the last 3 years received a career high pay day. By very definition a career high pay date can not be a slave contract.

Also if a challenger wants to put himself in a strong position to get a better contract, why don't they actually fight other contenders and build up a name for himself so they are a bigger name? No one apart from Pulev is doing it. If you fight overmatched opponents and then whinge about getting a shit contract for a title shot - you only have yourself to blame.

The fact is - pretty much any heavyweight challenger at the moment can be dismissed as a waste of time fight for Wlad - I think Pulev will be an exception soon.

[Dee]

Originally Posted by ChrisPontius

Oh my, so let me get this straight. You haven't beaten a legit contender, have made no name for yourself and rarely get paid more than 10k per fight. But not only do you think you are entitled to a title shot against Wlad, you somehow also deserve to get paid more than a million, despite the fact that 10 other no-names can take your place.

A guy like that should be happy to get a guaranteed shot at VK, title shots don't grow on trees.

So what you're saying is, Wlad has been fighting challengers who have:

• NOT beaten beaten a legit contender
• NOT big enough to earn more than 10K per fight

What does that say about the quality of opponents?

[Rock0052]

None of the other up and comers want to risk the 0 or have their careers derailed. Better to circle like vultures until Wlad really slows down or retires altogether. Say what you will about Wach, but the guy had balls and a chin.

Maybe in 2013, Povetkin, Pulev, Arreola, Price, Fury, or Boytsov etc. will knock off another contender and take the Wlad fight. We'll see. Hopefully someone in that lot shows some ambition and guts.

[Faerun]

Originally Posted by Dee

So what you're saying is, Wlad has been fighting challengers who have:

• NOT beaten beaten a legit contender
• NOT big enough to earn more than 10K per fight

What does that say about the quality of opponents?

Klittards are an embarassement.

[Manning]

Originally Posted by Dee

So what you're saying is, Wlad has been fighting challengers who have:

• NOT beaten beaten a legit contender
• NOT big enough to earn more than 10K per fight

What does that say about the quality of opponents?

You're aware Larry Holmes in his prime for certain fights was making 10k per fight while the defending champ.

[BOGART]

Originally Posted by JeanPaulValley

You guys are just making excuses for this guy. Ok let's say he has one bad fight out of 3 but 3 bad fights out of 3? Mormeck? Inexcusable.
As I said,Sherman "the Tank" Williams would have put on a better fight than Mormeck and Tony Thompson. Williams also has a solid chin and beat the highly touted Chauncy Welliver and he rocked granite chinned Helenius.

Either way,this year was a huge waste of time for Wlad and he won't be champion for long.
He's gonna have to face Pulev,Fury,Price,Arreola,Mitchell etc.
One or maybe 2 of those guys are gonna beat him.

I agree with this. The reasons Wlad faced who he did aren't important because at the end of the day he practically wasted his 2012. It was one of his last peak years and he is moving up a lot of all-time rankings and he does little to add to it.

He will benefit from a statistical standpoint. He added to his amount of title defenses, years as champ, winning %, etc. But the three guys he beat this year will add nothing, unless Wach goes onto big things but I don't think he will.

I don't think for one moment Wlad is avoiding guys and he has a very proven record of facing the best. I'm sure he had trouble landing some of the fights he wanted but when he's done and his careeer is being judged none of that matters. What counts is who you fought and Wlad faced no one of any importance this year, regardless of where the blame lies.

[itsa huge bitch]

division is cleaned out..a new batch of fighters are coming through..wladimir is staying busy untill they are ready..what is the fucking problem??

60% of posters on this site havnt a fucking clue how these things work..

idiots

[SuzieQ49]

What counts is who you fought and Wlad faced no one of any importance this year, regardless of where the blame lies.

David Haye wasn't of importance?

Chagaev for the Ring Magazine heavyweight title wasn't important?

Sultan Ibragimov for the unification of heavyweight title wasn't important?

[Feiti]

Originally Posted by SuzieQ49

David Haye wasn't of importance?

Chagaev for the Ring Magazine heavyweight title wasn't important?

Sultan Ibragimov for the unification of heavyweight title wasn't important?

The guy was talking about this year. Not in general. The opponents Wlad had this year were unimpressive, but it wasn´t Wlad´s fault since most fighters won´t face him. And he did take 3 fights this year and won all of them very decisively.

[madballster]

Originally Posted by Faerun

So if you want to be the champ, you have to beat the Klits three consecutive times and fight by their rules

You are wrong.

If one wants to be champ one can simply become mandatory challenger with one of the four sanctioning organizations and then there are no contracts to be signed. No options. No rematches.

Simples. Not sure what's so hard to grasp here?

[BOGART]

Originally Posted by SuzieQ49

David Haye wasn't of importance?

Chagaev for the Ring Magazine heavyweight title wasn't important?

Sultan Ibragimov for the unification of heavyweight title wasn't important?

I was talking about this year. Overall, I think Wlad's competition has been good. I rate Wlad fairly high amongst all-time heavyweights and would rate him as my favorite current fighter. He has beaten guys who I think would be highly rated in almost any era-Byrd, Haye, Sultan, Chagaev, Chambers, etc.-all good fighters. But, the OP was correct, Wlad's 2012 was virtually a wasted year.

[Slyk]

Originally Posted by Faerun

Brittards are an embarassement.

I agree.

Career high payday, shot at more belts than you can hold, shot at the 41 year old elder brother for a unification if you win = SLAVE CONTRACT.

My god.

Brittards hear Haye say "slave contract" and they keep parroting it. Really sad how much influence Haye/british sports media has over them.