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Old 11-17-2012, 02:31 AM   #31
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Old 11-17-2012, 04:21 AM   #32
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Nice to see a thread that does Monzon justice

Like many others including Ali, Leonard and Calzaghe; Monzon seems to attract more than his share of no-nothings and trolls who try in vain to detract from his achievements.
That's right Spider.
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Old 11-17-2012, 02:12 PM   #33
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Though I do agree with him in regards to SRL. Who else is in your top 20 with only 40 ****in' fights? That's irate, and really shouldn't be feasible but Leonard went for the jugular and in a big hurry. I know Stonehands uses it as a big knock against him despite his qualfications. In no way does Monzon have a better record than Leonard. I don't know that he even beat more contenders with 60+ more bouts.
Leonard isn't much behind Monzon by my measure; which isn't just an exercise in "hmmmm let me see, if we put this guy here, and this guy over here..." -it's measured via scores in a criteria that include Dominance and Longevity. Leonard can't score high in either. A great fighter, oh yes, but not among the greatest who ever lived. Top 10 for him is kooky. Too many monsters in the past 90 years that exceed him.
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Old 11-17-2012, 02:34 PM   #34
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Top 10 is out of the question for me.

No.20 sounds about right.
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Old 11-17-2012, 05:01 PM   #35
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Leonard isn't much behind Monzon by my measure; which isn't just an exercise in "hmmmm let me see, if we put this guy here, and this guy over here..." -it's measured via scores in a criteria that include Dominance and Longevity. Leonard can't score high in either. A great fighter, oh yes, but not among the greatest who ever lived. Top 10 for him is kooky. Too many monsters in the past 90 years that exceed him.
You're one of the few who actually has a system in place that is consistent and far less subjective than most, and you know I respect your opinion anyway. Plus, Roberto Duran at No. 5 is always Ace -- If following your post-1920 format (which I've heavily considered), that's where he'd be for me.
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Canzoneri

















Monzon




Leonard

I agree with this.
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Old 11-17-2012, 05:39 PM   #37
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Unlike the other two, canzoneri lost more than a few times in his prime.

Hard to say really. Monzon is one of the most dominant champs in history. Leonard has one of the best trio of victories in history. Canzoneris resume is just full of quality and he's done it at numerous weightclasses.

depends what you like. Canzoneris multitude of losses don't sit too well with me but only in the way that I wouldn't make him an automatic pick for top spot.

I'd say

Leonard
Canz
Monzon.
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Old 11-22-2012, 04:04 PM   #38
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Though I do agree with him in regards to SRL. Who else is in your top 20 with only 40 ****in' fights? That's irate, and really shouldn't be feasible but Leonard went for the jugular and in a big hurry. I know Stonehands uses it as a big knock against him despite his qualfications. In no way does Monzon have a better record than Leonard. I don't know that he even beat more contenders with 60+ more bouts.
closer than you might think

Monzon 15-0
Leonard 17-3-1
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Old 11-22-2012, 04:33 PM   #39
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So he didn't. Pretty amazing on Leonard's part.
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