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Old 11-18-2012, 11:22 AM   #31
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To defeat an undefeated nobody is better than beating a top level fighter with a previous loss, is that what you're selling?
No. You obviously havent read the whole thing again
Cleverly beat undefeated Murat, who had beaten former champ Campillo, who many felt was unlucky against Cloud. Cleverly took that 0 there.
Cleverly also beat undefeated Bellew, now the WBC LHW silver champ, who beat Miranda who many claim had worked Dawson over before his fight with Ward. That was another 0 that Nathan took. Both current top 10 LHWs.
Tell me which 0s did Ward take off top undefeated fighters?

Is Murat a nobody for beating a fighter who became a world champ being top 10 and the fighter who he beat Campillo, looked unlucky against Cloud to alot of people. Is that a nobody?
Is Bellew a nobody as WBC Silver champ?

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Mayweather,
He beat undefeated 2 weight champ Hatton, undefeated Corrales.
So dont go on about what you dont know Dino
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Hearns ,
Beat undefeated Hill
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Lewis,
Lewis proved himself against world class undefeated fighters Mason. Akinwande, Mavrovic and Golota hadnt been truly beaten
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Cotto,
Beat undefeated world champ Foreman, undefeated Quintana who became a world champ, undefeated Malignaggi who became a world champ, undefeated Torres who became a world champ and undefeated world class fighter Pinto
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Pacquiao never beat any top level undefeated fighters. Does that make them lesser champions?
Many felt Pac beat undefeated Bradley but however you scored that, Pac beat undefeated Solis who became an interim world champ (dont ask me to explain the difference for you again, interim is not international.
Pac also beat undefeated world class fighter Hussein
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Ross Purity took the "o" from Wladimir Klitschko, does that make him an all time great HW?
Of course it doesnt, what are you going on about , whos been talking about ATGs other than you?
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Hopkins zero was taken from him in his very first fight.
Your argument is a gimmick. You dont know where you are
Once again i have take you apart, though must admit, owning you in every debate is becoming boring.
I suggest Dino, that you take a walk and avoid me (your Papa) for a while, so that you dont take another spanking like this again
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Old 11-18-2012, 11:22 AM   #32
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Dawson said on live tv he could make the weight. Ward didn't make Dawson do anything. He accepted the challenge put to him, end of story.
Ward has no reason to fear Clev. Clev might beat Dawson, Ward is a different level.
Why do you think Dawson's team were begging for a catchweight? I bet you Chad regretted saying he could make 168 not long after, he was drained, a walking zombie - someone like Stieglitz would have battered him. Ward's team insisted on 168 for a reason

Ward has not shown any willingness to face a top LHW at 175, Clev is a top 5 LHW. It would be a great win for Ward, but Cleverly has a tough style for Ward to face.


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They are not great fighters.
Being a former champ means nothing. Ottke held the belts for donkeys years.

None are great fighters? Virgil Hill and Diego Corralles aren't great fighters? Mayweather and Hearns were considered underdogs going into those fights. Michael Grant was very highly rated. Pacquaio was robbed against Tim Bradley who's very highly rated
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Old 11-18-2012, 11:30 AM   #33
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Why do you think Dawson's team were begging for a catchweight? I bet you Chad regretted saying he could make 168 not long after, he was drained, a walking zombie - someone like Stieglitz would have battered him. Ward's team insisted on 168 for a reason

Ward has not shown any willingness to face a top LHW at 175, Clev is a top 5 LHW. It would be a great win for Ward, but Cleverly has a tough style for Ward to face.





None are great fighters? Virgil Hill and Diego Corralles aren't great fighters? Mayweather and Hearns were considered underdogs going into those fights. Michael Grant was very highly rated. Pacquaio was robbed against Tim Bradley who's very highly rated
Looks like we have Dino running off to lick his wounds after that thorough annihilation
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Old 11-18-2012, 11:36 AM   #34
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Dawson said on live tv he could make the weight. Ward didn't make Dawson do anything. He accepted the challenge put to him, end of story.
Ward has no reason to fear Clev. Clev might beat Dawson, Ward is a different level.
Cleverly will not beat Dawson, Thais feather fisted guy will be exposed soon enough.
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Old 11-18-2012, 11:36 AM   #35
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Looks like we have Dino running off to lick his wounds after that thorough annihilation



I'm not sure how much credit I can take, when he makes it that easy
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Old 11-18-2012, 11:43 AM   #36
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Looks like we have Dino running off to lick his wounds after that thorough annihilation
What top level undefeated fighter fighter did Lewis beat, who many claim is one of the best HWs ever?
What has Yuri Foreman and Malignaggi ever done.
Who's Murat? He's a nobody. Nobody gives a flying **** Cleverly took the zero from him.
Pacman got robbed against Bradley so you argue Manny was the victor, well many people thought Bellew got robbed against Clev so that arguement is useless.
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Old 11-18-2012, 11:45 AM   #37
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Cleverly will beat Ward if they fight. Ward has a great defense, but Cleverly will find holes with his relentless attacking.
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Old 11-18-2012, 12:40 PM   #38
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I'd love for Ward to fight Clevery it be easier than the Froch fight !
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Old 11-18-2012, 02:17 PM   #39
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No. You obviously havent read the whole thing again
Cleverly beat undefeated Murat, who had beaten former champ Campillo, who many felt was unlucky against Cloud. Cleverly took that 0 there.
Cleverly also beat undefeated Bellew, now the WBC LHW silver champ, who beat Miranda who many claim had worked Dawson over before his fight with Ward. That was another 0 that Nathan took. Both current top 10 LHWs.
Tell me which 0s did Ward take off top undefeated fighters?

Is Murat a nobody for beating a fighter who became a world champ being top 10 and the fighter who he beat Campillo, looked unlucky against Cloud to alot of people. Is that a nobody?
Is Bellew a nobody as WBC Silver champ?

He beat undefeated 2 weight champ Hatton, undefeated Corrales.
So dont go on about what you dont know Dino
Beat undefeated Hill
Lewis proved himself against world class undefeated fighters Mason. Akinwande, Mavrovic and Golota hadnt been truly beaten
Beat undefeated world champ Foreman, undefeated Quintana who became a world champ, undefeated Malignaggi who became a world champ, undefeated Torres who became a world champ and undefeated world class fighter Pinto

Many felt Pac beat undefeated Bradley but however you scored that, Pac beat undefeated Solis who became an interim world champ (dont ask me to explain the difference for you again, interim is not international.
Pac also beat undefeated world class fighter Hussein
Of course it doesnt, what are you going on about , whos been talking about ATGs other than you?
Once again i have take you apart, though must admit, owning you in every debate is becoming boring.
I suggest Dino, that you take a walk and avoid me (your Papa) for a while, so that you dont take another spanking like this again
Blah blah blah Cleverly beat B-(being generous B-) level undefeated fighters which of these fighters are close to level of Kessler or Froch, even Cleverly is joke for Kessler and Froch, what will he achive we will see but for now he is miles behind Ward, Froch, Kessler...
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Old 11-18-2012, 02:23 PM   #40
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failey, putting his patented stink all over this thread.
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Old 11-18-2012, 02:30 PM   #41
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Ward would box Cleverly's head off with one arm tied behind his back. Cleverly is just an average Euro title level fighter who got gifted a World title thanks to his promters conections with the WBO. Cleverly is not World class and currently the least talented belt holder out there.
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Old 11-18-2012, 02:36 PM   #42
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Ward would box Cleverly's head off with one arm tied behind his back. Cleverly is just an average Euro title level fighter who got gifted a World title thanks to his promters conections with the WBO. Cleverly is not World class and currently the least talented belt holder out there.
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Old 11-20-2012, 06:18 PM   #43
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Cleverly is a joke.Ward taps that ass easily.
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Old 11-20-2012, 06:30 PM   #44
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Dont be too shocked if Ward losses first, he hasnt fought one top undefeated fighter or beaten one top prime fighter. Cleverly has a couple of top 10 names on his resume already who unlike the ones on Wards record are prime, oh and Cleverly took their 0s, something else Ward hasnt done
Stop embarrassing yourself with this shit!

Just because Froch and Kessler had been beaten before Ward fought them, it doesn't mean that Clev's wins were better.

Who's zero did Clev take?

Tell us!

We're they better than Ward, Kessler and Chad?

Clev has done nothing!
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Ward would no way fight a prime fighter like Cleverly.

What top undefeated fighters has Ward fought?

Cleverly has stamina, workrate and a chin. Ward would not want to go near that guy. Remember Ward didnt want to fight Bute when Bute looked the business
Why wouldn't he?

Ward hasn't beaten any top undefeated fighters, because they had already been beaten before he fought them! So what?

Why do keep asking the same question over and over again?

Ward has only had one opportunity to face an unbeaten fighter.

You're criticising Ward for not fighting Bute, when Bute wasn't even in the super six. He beat Kessler and Froch easily.

Who has Nathan beat who's as good?
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