Broner's P4P rating - Page 3

Boxed Ears · 11-18-2012, 02:38 PM

P4P lists for current fighters are tricky because you get stuck between what you think a guy is capable of and what he's actually done. If you want pure guesswork you're in extraordinarily subjective territory. If you only go by accomplishment, you get some pretty used up guys who simply haven't lost yet being ranked ahead of terrific young talent that can do more in all likelihood. I'd say Broner is a top twenty p4p fighter, right now. And he's either a big win or just some more consistently impressive showings with a top ten guy losing big or retiring away from cracking top ten.

KO-KING · 11-18-2012, 04:12 PM

top 25, hasn't fought anyone, demarco wasn't that good, at 140 he wouldn''t be top 8 (Demarco)

He hasn't fought anyone at all

MyName · 11-18-2012, 04:13 PM

...is not to be discussed yet.

dwighttsharpe · 11-18-2012, 04:17 PM

...is inevitable.

KO-KING · 11-18-2012, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by dwighttsharpe

Guy just destroyed 2 weight divisions. Threatening another.

Definitely in top 10, considering who's in some of them(cough, cough..Froch).

He can wait though. Guy's still just a kid.

Froch

Pascal
Taylor
Dirrel
Kessler - L
Abraham
Johnson
Ward - L
Bute
Mack - not good

Broner

De Leon - alot have that fight as a L
Litzau - Not that good
Perez - Not that good
Demarco

Broner has 2 good fighters in his resume, Froch has half a dozen

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Originally Posted by DeadLikeMe

I'd have a hard time moving anyone down at this point. Who do you kick off? Froch? Mares? Vitali? Broner is deserving of a ranking, but everyone above him is still deserving of a spot somewhere above him.

He is not

Some fighters that don't feature on most top 10's (rightfully in my opinion)

Alexander

Witter
Urango
Kotelnyk
Bradley - L
Mathysse - Big Puncher many had it as a L
Maidana - Out of shape but still a big puncher
Bailey - old but a KO artist

Khan
MAB - old and small, but khan was young, Former Champ
Kotelnyk -Champ
Salita - Mandatory
Mallininaggi - Former/Future Champ
Maidana - at his peak
McCloskey - top 10
Judah - Unification fight
Peterson - Drug cheat, disputed L
Garcia

Also fought good tough fighters in Limond, Earl, Gomez

HoldMyBeer · 11-18-2012, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by KO-KING

Froch

Pascal
Taylor
Dirrel
Kessler - L
Abraham
Johnson
Ward - L
Bute
Mack - not good

Broner

De Leon - alot have that fight as a L
Litzau - Not that good
Perez - Not that good
Demarco

Broner has 2 good fighters in his resume, Froch has half a dozen

any of our countrymen giving the brits a hard time about building up their fighters too fast before they have been tested need to take a back seat if you want to put broner P4P top 10 after this weekend

BENNY BLANCO · 11-18-2012, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Boxed Ears

P4P lists for current fighters are tricky because you get stuck between what you think a guy is capable of and what he's actually done. If you want pure guesswork you're in extraordinarily subjective territory. If you only go by accomplishment, you get some pretty used up guys who simply haven't lost yet being ranked ahead of terrific young talent that can do more in all likelihood. I'd say Broner is a top twenty p4p fighter, right now. And he's either a big win or just some more consistently impressive showings with a top ten guy losing big or retiring away from cracking top ten.

I feel you on the highlighted part, so I say Broner should be rated 20-25 or so, I don't have a top 25 p4p list in front of me so I would say he would more than likely be ranked at #21 slot, he's only 2 impressive wins/performances from probably being in the lower top 10.

Royal-T-Bag · 11-18-2012, 04:30 PM

He's my fave fighter but no, he needs a couple more solid wins vs Demarco level dudes or higher. top 15 right now and #1 at LW

weegriffin · 11-18-2012, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by KO-KING

Froch

Pascal
Taylor
Dirrel
Kessler - L
Abraham
Johnson
Ward - L
Bute
Mack - not good

Broner

De Leon - alot have that fight as a L
Litzau - Not that good
Perez - Not that good
Demarco

Broner has 2 good fighters in his resume, Froch has half a dozen

He is not

Some fighters that don't feature on most top 10's (rightfully in my opinion)

Alexander

Witter
Urango
Kotelnyk
Bradley - L
Mathysse - Big Puncher many had it as a L
Maidana - Out of shape but still a big puncher
Bailey - old but a KO artist

Khan
MAB - old and small, but khan was young, Former Champ
Kotelnyk -Champ
Salita - Mandatory
Mallininaggi - Former/Future Champ
Maidana - at his peak
McCloskey - top 10
Judah - Unification fight
Peterson - Drug cheat, disputed L
Garcia

Also fought good tough fighters in Limond, Earl, Gomez

Kotelnik arguably beat Alexander aswell. Agree with the rest though.

mckay_89 · 11-19-2012, 06:59 AM

Who decided DeMarco was the. Number 1 guy at lightweight? Looking at records surely you'd have to say Vazquez and Burns should be ranked higher? DeMarco is a good fighter, but his best win was a come from behind KO of the famously fragile Linares. Broner is clearly a top talent, but so many people are putting him on a pedestal already and when someone points out that his achievements so far haven't been all that amazing they go mental and accuse that person o being a hater. It's ridiculous.

Undisputed · 11-19-2012, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bane

If he beats Lucas, Garcia and Burns, then yes he is top 10 P4P.

if he beats those three you can replace nonito with brother.

iceferg · 11-19-2012, 09:15 AM

on ability he certainly can't be rated far out the top 10 based on that performance. I do think ricky may be able to beat him though.

Bladegunner · 11-19-2012, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by KnuckleUp99

His skill and talent are without question....P4P worthy but Demarco won't see Broner break through the rankings quite yet......in my opinion, Broner's nick name is perfectly suited.

As corny and embarrassing the kid is outside the ring.....I'm a huge fan of what he does and is able to do inside of it. He has the mentality that produces very exciting fights that's being fought at a very high level.....it's a pleasure to witness.

Again......I realize who his competition was and I know Demarco isn't elite.....but the guy was systematically beat down, out classed and destroyed. Demarco is a very good, solid fighter.....not a gate keeper or some fringe contender...He was the light weight champion who had only been beaten like that against Valero.

Broner scares me a bit too.....his out of the ring habits could affect his career at some point.....the kid is absolutely going to reach high levels of fame in this sport....based on what I see from him right now...when he's not famous...I hate to think of how he handles the kind of fame that is on the horizon.

Sound like a bitch.

dwighttsharpe · 11-19-2012, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by CASH_718

Destroyed two weight classes? His best win at 130 was a razor thin decision vs a 126 pounder and he only has one win at 135.

What crack are you smoking?

What crack are they smoking??!!

Sports Illustrated P4P:

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elchivito · 11-19-2012, 07:46 PM

I'm a fan of the kid as much as I am of Canelo both are the future of boxing, but he doesn't deserve top 10 yet. I'd say top 15-20, but after beating the Vasquez-Gesta winner he'd be fast approaching top 10 in no time.

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Boxed Ears Lowering Post Count East Side VIP Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: If here, hell Posts: 22,199 vCash: 16214	Re: Broner's P4P rating P4P lists for current fighters are tricky because you get stuck between what you think a guy is capable of and what he's actually done. If you want pure guesswork you're in extraordinarily subjective territory. If you only go by accomplishment, you get some pretty used up guys who simply haven't lost yet being ranked ahead of terrific young talent that can do more in all likelihood. I'd say Broner is a top twenty p4p fighter, right now. And he's either a big win or just some more consistently impressive showings with a top ten guy losing big or retiring away from cracking top ten.
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dwighttsharpe Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 3,101 vCash: 1000	Re: Broner's P4P rating ...is inevitable.
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11-18-2012, 04:30 PM	#38
Royal-T-Bag Undisputed Champion East Side VIP Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 11,238 vCash: 1000	Re: Broner's P4P rating He's my fave fighter but no, he needs a couple more solid wins vs Demarco level dudes or higher. top 15 right now and #1 at LW
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11-19-2012, 06:59 AM	#40
mckay_89 Haw you! ESB Addict Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Funky Town Posts: 2,263 vCash: 1065	Re: Broner's P4P rating Who decided DeMarco was the. Number 1 guy at lightweight? Looking at records surely you'd have to say Vazquez and Burns should be ranked higher? DeMarco is a good fighter, but his best win was a come from behind KO of the famously fragile Linares. Broner is clearly a top talent, but so many people are putting him on a pedestal already and when someone points out that his achievements so far haven't been all that amazing they go mental and accuse that person o being a hater. It's ridiculous. Last edited by mckay_89; 11-19-2012 at 07:21 AM.
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11-19-2012, 09:15 AM	#42
iceferg Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 3,534 vCash: 547	Re: Broner's P4P rating on ability he certainly can't be rated far out the top 10 based on that performance. I do think ricky may be able to beat him though.
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11-19-2012, 07:46 PM	#45
elchivito master betty East Side VIP Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: section 8 Posts: 10,236 vCash: 130	Re: Broner's P4P rating I'm a fan of the kid as much as I am of Canelo both are the future of boxing, but he doesn't deserve top 10 yet. I'd say top 15-20, but after beating the Vasquez-Gesta winner he'd be fast approaching top 10 in no time.
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