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Old 11-20-2012, 03:32 AM   #46
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This is very true, and I commented on the need to get rid of men like Bright, Snowel and Halloway in an earlier post. The Douglas defeat resulted in the hiring of former Holmes' trainer rich Giachetti, who I think lit a fire beneath Mike's ass for at least a brief period.
Tyson was also an EXTREMELY proud champion; Don't discount the hunger to get the damn belt back in lighting the fire under him.
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He also made the same mistake against Holyfield in 96

He came in thought hed get Holy out of there within a couple of rounds, was huffing and puffing by round 4. Which explains why he wasnt able to follow up on Holy in round 5 when he DID hurt him.

He gets stopped, comes to the rematch in shape, hires Giachetti.

Tyson was lazy and over confident more than anything else, however when Tyson knew he had a fight on, he trained hard. Look at Tysons shape in the Ruddock fights, second Bruno fight and the second Holyfield fight, contrary to popular belief, i believe he trained hard for Lewis as well, he just didnt have it in him anymore.

Even against Spinks, Tyson apparently used to skip training to bring fear into himself, and then when he would train, he trained twice as hard.
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Old 11-20-2012, 09:19 AM   #48
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No Tyson was just stupid really to make those same mistakes over and over until he was broke and lost his titles the same way, in embarassment.
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Old 11-22-2012, 02:46 AM   #49
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He also made the same mistake against Holyfield in 96

He came in thought hed get Holy out of there within a couple of rounds, was huffing and puffing by round 4. Which explains why he wasnt able to follow up on Holy in round 5 when he DID hurt him.

He gets stopped, comes to the rematch in shape, hires Giachetti.

Tyson was lazy and over confident more than anything else, however when Tyson knew he had a fight on, he trained hard. Look at Tysons shape in the Ruddock fights, second Bruno fight and the second Holyfield fight, contrary to popular belief, i believe he trained hard for Lewis as well, he just didnt have it in him anymore.

Even against Spinks, Tyson apparently used to skip training to bring fear into himself, and then when he would train, he trained twice as hard.
Exactly. He also trained harder for his first 4 fights post prison than he did for Holyfield! Unbelievable. You could tell by his ring walk, his weight, his demeanor, he definitely took Holy lightly. He also looked svelt for Cliff Etienne right after the Lewis beatdown. He didn't want to embarrass himself again.
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Old 11-22-2012, 03:13 AM   #50
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I have read lots of opinions, many have already covered things i wanted to say, Funny Man on page 1 and Magna have pretty much covered a good portion of what im thinking thought they put it better than i probably could

also say he gets past Holyfield the era he cleaned out was not as tough as the next era he was coming into

Guys like Bowe, Lennox, Foreman, Mercer, Morrisson, Moorer, McCall, Cooper, Botha, Schulz, etc wont list them all though i know i missed a few i know Tyson is great and probably h2h is favored over most but could he beat them all, i mean the life style the constant competition would have to catch up

Also on a side not of those guys i listed who would challenge or win belts in the 90's how come Tyson never got in the ring with a good deal of them? Was it prison was it missed opportunities
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I have read lots of opinions, many have already covered things i wanted to say, Funny Man on page 1 and Magna have pretty much covered a good portion of what im thinking thought they put it better than i probably could

also say he gets past Holyfield the era he cleaned out was not as tough as the next era he was coming into

Guys like Bowe, Lennox, Foreman, Mercer, Morrisson, Moorer, McCall, Cooper, Botha, Schulz, etc wont list them all though i know i missed a few i know Tyson is great and probably h2h is favored over most but could he beat them all, i mean the life style the constant competition would have to catch up

Also on a side not of those guys i listed who would challenge or win belts in the 90's how come Tyson never got in the ring with a good deal of them? Was it prison was it missed opportunities
Moorers IBF title was next after Tyson was to beat Holyfield. However that never hapenned and it was Holy who fought Moorer.

King did have a fight plan set up for Tyson after he beats Holyfield, guys like Mcall, Morrison, Briggs and Foreman were on there. But after Tyson lost to Holy, King and Tyson went seperate ways. Tyson went with Shelly Finkel, who did a worse job than King ever did.

Tyson and Bowe refused to fight each other

Tyson and Mercer were meant to fight in 2001-2002 but Lewis was threatening retirement and Tyson needed the payday so he skipped Mercer and went with lewis instead
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