Rate the Chances of these European Heavies - Page 8

Vysotsky · 11-20-2012, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BeastsideBoxing

Bogdan Dinu after fighting on Bute-Grachev undercard is fighting again 9 Days from now in Romania on Viorel Simion vs Ryan Sermona undercard.

opponent known or TBA and is he officially signed with Interbox now?

BeastsideBoxing · 11-20-2012, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Vysotsky

opponent known or TBA and is he officially signed with Interbox now?

I don't think he signed with Interbox. Dinu was coached by Stephan Larouche in Canada if he appears in Romania to we kind of get a hit that they are interested and serious about him. If not it probably was more of a incidental situation. Opponent is not know since the fight happens less the 1 month apart and won't be anything special.

Cachibatches · 11-20-2012, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by BeastsideBoxing

I don't think he signed with Interbox. Dinu was coached by Stephan Larouche in Canada if he appears in Romania to we kind of get a hit that they are interested and serious about him. If not it probably was more of a incidental situation. Opponent is not know since the fight happens less the 1 month apart and won't be anything special.

At least he is fighting. If he fights four cans a years its better than fighting one.

Cachibatches · 11-20-2012, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Roam

I heard that Dimitrenko is coming back... and Platov knocked out journeyman Sconiers out few days ago.

But yeah, nice update.

Thanks. Hadn't heard it.

kostya by ko · 05-21-2013, 11:25 AM

Quite amazing how so little has changed within these assessments due to inactivity and an overall lack of meaningful fights.

Who is likely to make up the new generation of HWs coming on line (out of the amatuer ranks and from elsewhere) in the next 2 years who will be looking to make a name for themselves against the current second tier fighters?

I noticed that Luis Ortiz is due to fight Travis Kauffman next month.

Berliner · 05-21-2013, 02:56 PM

Emir Ahmatovic! He is "just" a heavyweight in the amateurs but I think he wants to be a heavyweight in the pros and not a cruiserweight. This guy is pretty good. I dont say he will become champion but he clearly is somebody to watch out for.
He won the Chemie Pokal (BIG amateur tournament) this year. He won by KOing his opponent in the final.

silencio · 05-21-2013, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Mendoza

I will rate their chances of winning a world title belt before their career is over. None of them are fighting either Klitschko in 2011.

5 star = Ring Magazine Champion, 1 or more world title belts.
4.5 star = Major world title holder, and top 3-4 Ring Magazine Rated
4 star = World title holder, WBC, IBF, WBO, WBA..top 5-7 Ring Mag Rated
3.5 star = Good enough for a regional belt, and possible world belt.
3 star = Will not crack the top 10 in their career. May get a title shot
2.5 star = Will not crack the top 20 in their career, but decent enough
2.0 star = Top 25-50 Box Rec type at best
1.5 star = Will quickly fade after their first or second stoppage loss
1.0 Hype job

Example of a 5.0, Wlad or Vitali Klitschko
Example of a 4.5 Ruslan Chagaev
Example of a 4.0 to 4.5 Sultan Ibragimov
Example of a 3.5 to 4.0 Valuev
Example of a 3.5. Laun Krasniqui
Example of a 3.0

RobertHelenius 3.5 to 4.0 stars

Kubrat Pulev 4.0 stars to 4.5, the best of the bunch.

Dennis Boytsov 3.5 to 4.0 stars

Vyacheslav Glazkov 3.5 to 4.0 stars.

Magomed Abdusalamov 2.5 stars

Deontay Wilder 1.5 to 2.0 stars
Tor Hammer 1.5 to 2.0 stars
Tyson Fury 2.0 to 2.5 stars
Derrick Chisora - Never saw him
Tom Dallas - Never saw him
David Price - 1.5 stars

Alexander Dimitrenko 3.5 stars. He has hit his potential.
Francesco Pianeta 2.5 stars
Timur Ibragimov 2.5 to 3.0 stars
Albert Sosnowski 2.0 to 2.5 stars
Alexander Ustinov 2.5 stars
Oleh Platov 2.0 stars
Neven Pajkic - never saw
Edmund Gerber - 1.5 stars
Ondrej Pala 2.0 stars
Andrzej Wawrzyk 2.0 to 2.5 stars
Mariusz Wach 2.0 to 2.5 stars
Vladimir Virchis (if he is even still fighting) 3.5
Yakup Saglam -Never saw

Very Impressive! Thanks for taking the time!

Cachibatches · 05-21-2013, 05:49 PM

Thanks for bumping!

Vysotsky · 05-21-2013, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Berliner

Emir Ahmatovic! He is "just" a heavyweight in the amateurs but I think he wants to be a heavyweight in the pros and not a cruiserweight. This guy is pretty good. I dont say he will become champion but he clearly is somebody to watch out for.
He won the Chemie Pokal (BIG amateur tournament) this year. He won by KOing his opponent in the final.

I didn't recognize a single fighters name that he boxed and he only had two fights.

Mendoza · 05-21-2013, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Mendoza

I will rate their chances of winning a world title belt before their career is over. None of them are fighting either Klitschko in 2011.

5 star = Ring Magazine Champion, 1 or more world title belts.
4.5 star = Major world title holder, and top 3-4 Ring Magazine Rated
4 star = World title holder, WBC, IBF, WBO, WBA..top 5-7 Ring Mag Rated
3.5 star = Good enough for a regional belt, and possible world belt.
3 star = Will not crack the top 10 in their career. May get a title shot
2.5 star = Will not crack the top 20 in their career, but decent enough
2.0 star = Top 25-50 Box Rec type at best
1.5 star = Will quickly fade after their first or second stoppage loss
1.0 Hype job

Example of a 5.0, Wlad or Vitali Klitschko
Example of a 4.5 Ruslan Chagaev
Example of a 4.0 to 4.5 Sultan Ibragimov
Example of a 3.5 to 4.0 Valuev
Example of a 3.5. Laun Krasniqui
Example of a 3.0

RobertHelenius 3.5 to 4.0 stars

Kubrat Pulev 4.0 stars to 4.5, the best of the bunch.

Dennis Boytsov 3.5 to 4.0 stars

Vyacheslav Glazkov 3.5 to 4.0 stars.

Magomed Abdusalamov 2.5 stars

Deontay Wilder 1.5 to 2.0 stars
Tor Hammer 1.5 to 2.0 stars
Tyson Fury 2.0 to 2.5 stars
Derrick Chisora - Never saw him
Tom Dallas - Never saw him
David Price - 1.5 stars

Alexander Dimitrenko 3.5 stars. He has hit his potential.
Francesco Pianeta 2.5 stars
Timur Ibragimov 2.5 to 3.0 stars
Albert Sosnowski 2.0 to 2.5 stars
Alexander Ustinov 2.5 stars
Oleh Platov 2.0 stars
Neven Pajkic - never saw
Edmund Gerber - 1.5 stars
Ondrej Pala 2.0 stars
Andrzej Wawrzyk 2.0 to 2.5 stars
Mariusz Wach 2.0 to 2.5 stars
Vladimir Virchis (if he is even still fighting) 3.5
Yakup Saglam -Never saw

What fun to check nearly three years later! I would say my predicitons were pretty close. I did under rate Fury a tad.

caligula4 · 05-21-2013, 08:48 PM

Good stuff mate. Interesting to check back in another 3 years too

Berliner · Yesterday, 05:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Vysotsky

I didn't recognize a single fighters name that he boxed and he only had two fights.

It is how it is. He won the Chemie Pokal. Dont you know this tournament? Also he fights in the Bundesliga (good amateur league) and is knocking most of his opponents out.
He also fights in the next euros. Maybe he can make some noise there.
BTW: Why dont we make a new list with new fighters? There are many coming up now.

Cachibatches · Today, 07:01 AM

Thanks for bumping. It is amazing how many of these guys have come off of the rails. for just a minute there the heavies looked promising...now, not so much again. Here are my own assemements:

FIRST TIER
Kubrat Pulev- top of the class. Excellent record punctuated by victories over Dimentrenko and Ustinov.

Magomed Abdusalamov- Hit the deck against shot McCiline, but continues to win agaisnt decent competition, and still has mad power with 100% KOs!

Artur Szpilka- Continues to win, but has hit the deck twice and received a broken jaw. Tough as nails with a great fan base, but can he handle heavyweight power?

DROPPED TO SECOND TIER
Dennis Boytsov- Best win to date over Dominick Guinn, as well as Bidenko and Pala. But management problems and lawsuits have effectively momentarily ended his career.

Vyacheslav Glazkov- My favorite guy on the list is generally considered to have gotten a gift draw agaisnt Malik Scott. Hardly a career derailment, but he really needs to come back strong.

Robert Helenius- Since his gift draw against Chisora and long lay off, no evidence that he can return to the form that got him wins over Peter, Lyakovich and Brewster. Struggles agaisnt Tank Willliams and Sprott raise more questions than answers, and yes, he is injured again.

LOST BIG OPPORTUNITIES
Mariusz Wach- impressed with his chin but nothing else in his losing effort to Wladdy, and subsequently caught on steroids. Career massively derailed.

Manuel Charr- Only thing that the Vitali fight told us is that he was not nearly ready at the time. Has not done much to get any more ready.

Francesco Pianeta- Annihilated agaisnt Wladdy. It will take a long time to crawl up from this one.

Leif Larsen- Lost to Solis. At his age can only really be a novelty act.

Alexander Ustinov- Lost to Pulev handlly.

Andrzej Wawrzyk- Blown out by Povetkin.

Alexander Dimitrenko- His abject surrender against Pulev followed by his crappy showing agaisnt Perkovic probably finish him as a contender.

Ondrej Pala- Loss to Airsch ends his momentum.

Edmund Gerber- gift agaisnt Mo Haris followed by loss to Sprott have finished him as a serious contender.

UNDEFEATED BUT UNHEARALDED
Bogdan Dinu- fights a little more often agaisnt a little better competition, but still is not where he needs to be.

Constantine Bejenaru- Multiple tournament winner is smallish, crude, unchallenged, but fun.

Krzysztof Zimnoch- Just got a decent win VS 50 year old McCall.

Ahror Muralimov- 11 KO's in 12 wins and a big win against fellow up an comer Durodola

Vladimir Tereshkin- For some reason, he is back

Arnold Gjergjaj-A career best win over Katajisto and followed it with a win over a 14-2 heavy. Maybe he'll never be a champ but good for him for acheiving what he can.

Jarno Rosberg
Michael Wallisch
Matteo Modugno
Erkan Teper

DROPPED OUT OF CONTENTION, DISAPPEARED, RECENTLY LOST, OR GOING NOWHERE
Oleh Platov- Has had four fights in five years
Timur Ibragimov
Albert Sosnowski
Neven Pajkic
Vladimir Virchis
Yakup Saglam
Lucian Bot
Murad Khalidov
Andreas Gustafsson
Jerome Le Banner
Nikolay Israelyan
Alexey Soloviev
Newfel Ouatah
Janne Katajisto
Arild Haugen
Dennis Rasmussen
Sirhei Supronovich
Herve Hubeux

LuckyLuke · Today, 07:30 AM

You missed out Fedosov. Guy was a decent prospect around 2009 but lost to Withtaker. He can come back with a win over Jennings. And I reckon he has a real shot against Jennings who got dropped against Bowie.

Berliner · Today, 08:54 AM

I also like Wallisch. He is very fast for a big guy! If you look at talent he has the most talent in germany. Yet he also has management and law problems. Now he is with SES and I really hope he can be active now. Teper is also pretty good. Not world class but with serious training (he looks not like he is in shape) he can be a good contender. Already has some good wins.

05-21-2013, 11:25 AM	#110
kostya by ko Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: South Korea Posts: 605 vCash: 1000	Re: Rate the Chances of these European Heavies Quite amazing how so little has changed within these assessments due to inactivity and an overall lack of meaningful fights. Who is likely to make up the new generation of HWs coming on line (out of the amatuer ranks and from elsewhere) in the next 2 years who will be looking to make a name for themselves against the current second tier fighters? I noticed that Luis Ortiz is due to fight Travis Kauffman next month.
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05-21-2013, 02:56 PM	#111
Berliner Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 2,573 vCash: 446	Re: Rate the Chances of these European Heavies Emir Ahmatovic! He is "just" a heavyweight in the amateurs but I think he wants to be a heavyweight in the pros and not a cruiserweight. This guy is pretty good. I dont say he will become champion but he clearly is somebody to watch out for. He won the Chemie Pokal (BIG amateur tournament) this year. He won by KOing his opponent in the final.
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05-21-2013, 05:49 PM	#113
Cachibatches P4P King East Side VIP Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: From Parts Unknown Posts: 17,257 vCash: 1000	Re: Rate the Chances of these European Heavies Thanks for bumping!
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05-21-2013, 08:48 PM	#116
caligula4 Journeyman Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 66 vCash: 500	Re: Rate the Chances of these European Heavies Good stuff mate. Interesting to check back in another 3 years too
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Today, 07:01 AM	#118
Cachibatches P4P King East Side VIP Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: From Parts Unknown Posts: 17,257 vCash: 1000	Re: Rate the Chances of these European Heavies Thanks for bumping. It is amazing how many of these guys have come off of the rails. for just a minute there the heavies looked promising...now, not so much again. Here are my own assemements: FIRST TIER Kubrat Pulev- top of the class. Excellent record punctuated by victories over Dimentrenko and Ustinov. Magomed Abdusalamov- Hit the deck against shot McCiline, but continues to win agaisnt decent competition, and still has mad power with 100% KOs! Artur Szpilka- Continues to win, but has hit the deck twice and received a broken jaw. Tough as nails with a great fan base, but can he handle heavyweight power? DROPPED TO SECOND TIER Dennis Boytsov- Best win to date over Dominick Guinn, as well as Bidenko and Pala. But management problems and lawsuits have effectively momentarily ended his career. Vyacheslav Glazkov- My favorite guy on the list is generally considered to have gotten a gift draw agaisnt Malik Scott. Hardly a career derailment, but he really needs to come back strong. Robert Helenius- Since his gift draw against Chisora and long lay off, no evidence that he can return to the form that got him wins over Peter, Lyakovich and Brewster. Struggles agaisnt Tank Willliams and Sprott raise more questions than answers, and yes, he is injured again. LOST BIG OPPORTUNITIES Mariusz Wach- impressed with his chin but nothing else in his losing effort to Wladdy, and subsequently caught on steroids. Career massively derailed. Manuel Charr- Only thing that the Vitali fight told us is that he was not nearly ready at the time. Has not done much to get any more ready. Francesco Pianeta- Annihilated agaisnt Wladdy. It will take a long time to crawl up from this one. Leif Larsen- Lost to Solis. At his age can only really be a novelty act. Alexander Ustinov- Lost to Pulev handlly. Andrzej Wawrzyk- Blown out by Povetkin. Alexander Dimitrenko- His abject surrender against Pulev followed by his crappy showing agaisnt Perkovic probably finish him as a contender. Ondrej Pala- Loss to Airsch ends his momentum. Edmund Gerber- gift agaisnt Mo Haris followed by loss to Sprott have finished him as a serious contender. UNDEFEATED BUT UNHEARALDED Bogdan Dinu- fights a little more often agaisnt a little better competition, but still is not where he needs to be. Constantine Bejenaru- Multiple tournament winner is smallish, crude, unchallenged, but fun. Krzysztof Zimnoch- Just got a decent win VS 50 year old McCall. Ahror Muralimov- 11 KO's in 12 wins and a big win against fellow up an comer Durodola Vladimir Tereshkin- For some reason, he is back Arnold Gjergjaj-A career best win over Katajisto and followed it with a win over a 14-2 heavy. Maybe he'll never be a champ but good for him for acheiving what he can. Jarno Rosberg Michael Wallisch Matteo Modugno Erkan Teper DROPPED OUT OF CONTENTION, DISAPPEARED, RECENTLY LOST, OR GOING NOWHERE Oleh Platov- Has had four fights in five years Timur Ibragimov Albert Sosnowski Neven Pajkic Vladimir Virchis Yakup Saglam Lucian Bot Murad Khalidov Andreas Gustafsson Jerome Le Banner Nikolay Israelyan Alexey Soloviev Newfel Ouatah Janne Katajisto Arild Haugen Dennis Rasmussen Sirhei Supronovich Herve Hubeux Last edited by Cachibatches; Today at 07:16 AM.
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LuckyLuke Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Stop the Nuthuggers! Posts: 2,817 vCash: 75	Re: Rate the Chances of these European Heavies You missed out Fedosov. Guy was a decent prospect around 2009 but lost to Withtaker. He can come back with a win over Jennings. And I reckon he has a real shot against Jennings who got dropped against Bowie.
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Today, 08:54 AM	#120
Berliner Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 2,573 vCash: 446	Re: Rate the Chances of these European Heavies I also like Wallisch. He is very fast for a big guy! If you look at talent he has the most talent in germany. Yet he also has management and law problems. Now he is with SES and I really hope he can be active now. Teper is also pretty good. Not world class but with serious training (he looks not like he is in shape) he can be a good contender. Already has some good wins.
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