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Old 11-20-2012, 02:38 AM   #31
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When you sign a fight, EVERYTHING is on you.

If you can't get the right frame of mind, can't train, can't bother, and you quit for that reason, it's on you. Your opponent owns you.

Lennox Lewis has a TKO win over Oliver McCall. Pretty good. Avenges a loss, bit better.

SRL TKOed Roberto Duran. Was more man then him. Great. Avenged a loss. Legendary.


Quit for safety quit for pride, but quitting does, indeed, mean you lost the fight and conceded superiority.
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When you sign a fight, EVERYTHING is on you.

If you can't get the right frame of mind, can't train, can't bother, and you quit for that reason, it's on you. Your opponent owns you.

Lennox Lewis has a TKO win over Oliver McCall. Pretty good. Avenges a loss, bit better.

SRL TKOed Roberto Duran. Was more man then him. Great. Avenged a loss. Legendary.


Quit for safety quit for pride, but quitting does, indeed, mean you lost the fight and conceded superiority.

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Old 11-20-2012, 03:56 AM   #33
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Unfortunately I think it was somewhat true. Duran's quit against Leonard is just the epitome of a complete kid who throws his toys out of the pram. Nevertheless, throughout the rest of his career, he redeemed himself and had come of age by returning from this fight and adding to his legacy when it didn't even need working on.
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Old 11-20-2012, 04:45 AM   #34
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Unfortunately I think it was somewhat true. Duran's quit against Leonard is just the epitome of a complete kid who throws his toys out of the pram. Nevertheless, throughout the rest of his career, he redeemed himself and had come of age by returning from this fight and adding to his legacy when it didn't even need working on.
He could deal with Leonard's methods, but just wasn't in condition for it that night. That's on him, as I said on the previous page. Doesn't change the fact SRL got his ass handed to him by the most skilled fighter he ever stepped into the ring with in the most significant fight between the two.
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Old 11-20-2012, 05:03 AM   #35
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I give Ray more credit for beating Duran in the second fight than Duran for beating Ray the first fight. Ray was still green when Duran fought him, and the fact he fought Duran's fight proves something. In the rematch he moved, kept Duran at his range and when Duran got close he held. The fact is in the second fight Duran quits when Ray is starting to land punches to the head and body.
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Old 11-20-2012, 05:29 AM   #36
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When people quit when they're way ahead, we know it's legit- that's the key difference, when they're behind (and feel they have no chance of winning) they resort to what Michael Johnson did in that 150 metres one-off race against Donovan Bailey. Here's an idea, why don't we all go by what we actually SEE WITH OUR ****ING EYES...always works for me.
Johnson did injure himself though, he was out until late in the year missing lucrative athletics meets and world championship qualifying
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Old 11-20-2012, 06:42 AM   #37
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Nah.
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Old 11-20-2012, 12:14 PM   #39
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for their wins against McCall 2 or Duran 2. Both guys quit and it wasn't from

taken much punishment. Did Lewis or Leonard do anything that made them fold

I'm just curious if those should be considered quality wins


Yes I do consider them quality wins. Also an exorcism of demons.
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