Carlos Ortiz interviews

Tin_Ribs · 11-21-2012, 11:25 AM

Ortiz from earlier this year. Looks his age but still seems quite alert and spry.

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The TCM documentary 'The Taxi Driver....Conversation with a Champ' from 1988. Ortiz talks about Joe Brown, Duran, his drinking and gambling problems amongst other things. Good to know that he's managed to come through it all and has found some peace and stability in old age.

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Bugger · 11-21-2012, 12:30 PM

Great stuff, thank you

Carlos is looking in good nick.

jdempsey85 · 11-21-2012, 02:34 PM

super interview with a super fighter,seems a honest guy.

Carlos Ortiz KO'S Amir khan in 8 seconds

Flea Man · 11-21-2012, 02:39 PM

Brilliant work Ribs.

Tin_Ribs · 11-21-2012, 02:56 PM

Interestingly honest how he puts no stock in the LWW title at the time, seeing how a lot of fighters are usually quick to defend baubles and straps these days (well, in those days too I suppose). I'd like to know what he thought of another great fighter in Loi.....

Flea Man · 11-21-2012, 03:01 PM

Have you read 'The Arc of Boxing' Ribs? Ortiz spouts off a lot in that.

Senor Pepe' · 11-21-2012, 03:03 PM

Excellent Tin-Ribs,

Great guy Carlos Ortiz,

Waited 3-years to get a Lightweight Championship bout.

The 25 1/2 year-old did not disappoint, and self-managed too.

Fight Purse, of $21,000 in April 1962 - which was not bad for a Challenger.

Tin_Ribs · 11-21-2012, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Flea Man

Have you read 'The Arc of Boxing' Ribs? Ortiz spouts off a lot in that.

So I've heard. I bought it and put it on my 'to read' list but ended up lending it to someone before I could read it - lo and behold, they lost it.

And I don't seem to have got round to buying it again. Any good Flea? Silver seems like he knows his stuff but I can imagine a lot of modern fans making him out - perhaps rightly - to be biased.

Tin_Ribs · 11-21-2012, 03:10 PM

Cheers Pepe

Flea Man · 11-21-2012, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Tin_Ribs

So I've heard. I bought it and put it on my 'to read' list but ended up lending it to someone before I could read it - lo and behold, they lost it.

And I don't seem to have got round to buying it again. Any good Flea? Silver seems like he knows his stuff but I can imagine a lot of modern fans making him out - perhaps rightly - to be biased.

It's very biased, a lot of the 'opinion' stuff I didn't agree with. The stats make it a worthy read.

Why the fuck you'd lend that out I don't know. Shank that person for losing it, smash 'em to bits.

red cobra · 11-21-2012, 03:26 PM

One of the true greats it goes without saying

Tin_Ribs · 11-21-2012, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Flea Man

It's very biased, a lot of the 'opinion' stuff I didn't agree with. The stats make it a worthy read.

Why the fuck you'd lend that out I don't know. Shank that person for losing it, smash 'em to bits.

I'm soft that way plus I really trusted the kid I lent it to, he's a good mate. He paid me back for losing it in the end after I'd given him a verbal fistfuck in front of everyone and hadn't spoken to him for a month.

Ortiz comes across as a bit of a tool then does he? I read something about him laying out a plan for beating Mayweather, which I suspect he would've been able to do.

Edit: Tbh, he could be as much of a tool as he likes. I still enjoy watching him as much as anyone I've ever watched.

Flea Man · 11-21-2012, 03:47 PM

It's understandable. And while Duran's lightweight era wasn't superb, Ortiz basically says 'he would've been a contender in my day and not amounted to much'.

That was too much to stomach. EDIT: even if I do think Ortiz would beat Duran

'Skeeter' McClure's in there as well.

Well worth a read and glad you got the money back.

Senor Pepe' · 11-21-2012, 03:58 PM

Early Carlos Ortiz,

Turned professional in February 1955, as an 18 1/2 year-old.

Was 'first' managed by Ed Ferguson

Later became 'self-managed' in 1959, after getting disgruntled without making
any decent money.

By February 1961, after a 7 year-run, the 25 1/2 year-old, and #1 Lightweight
with a record of 35-4-0 (13 KO') gets a World Lightweight Championship bout,
with Joe Brown, only after having a 'closed door meeting' with Joe Brown's Manager -
Lou Viscusi.

Two-months later,,,,,,, 'Shazam'

Ahhhhh,,,,,,,,,,The Good Old Days.

Ianian58 · 12-12-2012, 11:08 AM

Great fighter! In my opinion he's underrated; among Puerto Ricans, Boxing Historians, pretty much in general.

Trinidad over Ortiz? Ha!

11-21-2012, 11:25 AM	#1
Tin_Ribs Me ESB Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: South Yorkshire Posts: 1,475 vCash: 1000	Carlos Ortiz interviews Ortiz from earlier this year. Looks his age but still seems quite alert and spry. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] The TCM documentary 'The Taxi Driver....Conversation with a Champ' from 1988. Ortiz talks about Joe Brown, Duran, his drinking and gambling problems amongst other things. Good to know that he's managed to come through it all and has found some peace and stability in old age. [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dE1kaz5Y-jI&feature=related[/ame]
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Bugger Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 779 vCash: 500	Re: Carlos Ortiz interviews Great stuff, thank you Carlos is looking in good nick.
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jdempsey85 Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: EAST L.A Posts: 1,056 vCash: 1032	Re: Carlos Ortiz interviews super interview with a super fighter,seems a honest guy. Carlos Ortiz KO'S Amir khan in 8 seconds
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Flea Man มวยสากล East Side VIP Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: @ferociousflea Posts: 44,065 vCash: 75	Re: Carlos Ortiz interviews Brilliant work Ribs.
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Tin_Ribs Me ESB Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: South Yorkshire Posts: 1,475 vCash: 1000	Re: Carlos Ortiz interviews Interestingly honest how he puts no stock in the LWW title at the time, seeing how a lot of fighters are usually quick to defend baubles and straps these days (well, in those days too I suppose). I'd like to know what he thought of another great fighter in Loi.....
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11-21-2012, 03:01 PM	#6
Flea Man มวยสากล East Side VIP Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: @ferociousflea Posts: 44,065 vCash: 75	Re: Carlos Ortiz interviews Have you read 'The Arc of Boxing' Ribs? Ortiz spouts off a lot in that.
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Senor Pepe' Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 4,734 vCash: 500	Re: Carlos Ortiz interviews Excellent Tin-Ribs, Great guy Carlos Ortiz, Waited 3-years to get a Lightweight Championship bout. The 25 1/2 year-old did not disappoint, and self-managed too. Fight Purse, of $21,000 in April 1962 - which was not bad for a Challenger.
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Tin_Ribs Me ESB Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: South Yorkshire Posts: 1,475 vCash: 1000	Re: Carlos Ortiz interviews Cheers Pepe
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red cobra P4P King East Side VIP Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: The Sea of Tranquility Posts: 22,206 vCash: 1000	Re: Carlos Ortiz interviews One of the true greats it goes without saying
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11-21-2012, 03:47 PM	#13
Flea Man มวยสากล East Side VIP Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: @ferociousflea Posts: 44,065 vCash: 75	Re: Carlos Ortiz interviews It's understandable. And while Duran's lightweight era wasn't superb, Ortiz basically says 'he would've been a contender in my day and not amounted to much'. That was too much to stomach. EDIT: even if I do think Ortiz would beat Duran 'Skeeter' McClure's in there as well. Well worth a read and glad you got the money back.
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11-21-2012, 03:58 PM	#14
Senor Pepe' Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 4,734 vCash: 500	Re: Carlos Ortiz interviews Early Carlos Ortiz, Turned professional in February 1955, as an 18 1/2 year-old. Was 'first' managed by Ed Ferguson Later became 'self-managed' in 1959, after getting disgruntled without making any decent money. By February 1961, after a 7 year-run, the 25 1/2 year-old, and #1 Lightweight with a record of 35-4-0 (13 KO') gets a World Lightweight Championship bout, with Joe Brown, only after having a 'closed door meeting' with Joe Brown's Manager - Lou Viscusi. Two-months later,,,,,,, 'Shazam' Ahhhhh,,,,,,,,,,The Good Old Days.
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12-12-2012, 11:08 AM	#15
Ianian58 Gatekeeper ESB Full Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 332 vCash: 300	Re: Carlos Ortiz interviews Great fighter! In my opinion he's underrated; among Puerto Ricans, Boxing Historians, pretty much in general. Trinidad over Ortiz? Ha!
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