Why are people complaining? Broner over Froch, it's simple. - Page 2

Elite · 11-20-2012, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Nonito Smoak

W Bute
W Pascal
W Abraham
W Johnson
W Taylor
W Magee
W Mack
W Dirrell
L Ward
L Kessler

OR

W DeMarco
W Litzau
W Escobedo
W Perez
W Rodriguez
W Ponce de Leon

You tell me which set of career fights is worthy of higher ranking.

This. Also beating Demarco wasn`t anything special. Not like Demarco was elite or a great fighter.

lewishamboy · 11-20-2012, 06:24 PM

log off - YDKSAB

Dedication · 11-21-2012, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Elliot

DeMarco was the top guy according to?

Froch lost to Ward and Kessler, Carl Froch SD12 Andre Dirrell.

Plenty of fighters get props for losing when they take on top competition, no one at 160-175 would get close to beating Ward at the minute so no shame in that, and the fight with Kessler was a war.

Pascal- Nobody great, but then again who between losing to Froch and beating Dawson (I'd be very surprised if you didn't have on your P4P list before the Ward fight) did he beat who was worth mentioning?

Taylor- Beat Jeff Lacy in a WBC eliminator (No big deal I know but still not that bad)

Dirrell- Think he proved against Froch that he is very tough to beat.

Johnson- Yusaf Mack and Allen Green in his last three bouts.

Bute- As much as I think he was protected and felt although Froch would win that bout he was far from favorite and Bute was regarded as #2 in the division.

Abraham- Was still regarded as a power puncher, made Dirrell visit Dr.Shawhi

Stop twisting shit to fit your agenda, the most legit thing you could have posted is that a two division champion should be ranked above a one division champion, however to say that you would have to rate Ricky Burns as high as Broner, now if you think they deserve to be rated the same fair enough Broner > Froch, however if you are going to say Broner > Burns the only way you can do that is by saying Broner has fought a higher standard of competition which would therefore make Froch > Broner.

Nothing you've said has made me change my mind about Broner being ranked higher than Froch.

Froch deserves to be where he is.

Dedication · 11-21-2012, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Nonito Smoak

W Bute
W Pascal
W Abraham
W Johnson
W Taylor
W Magee
W Mack
W Dirrell
L Ward
L Kessler

OR

W DeMarco
W Litzau
W Escobedo
W Perez
W Rodriguez
W Ponce de Leon

You tell me which set of career fights is worthy of higher ranking.

Hilarity at it's finest.

Brian Magee? He was coming off a loss to Robin Reid before he fought Carl.
Mack? Need I say more.
Taylor? C'mon really!
.....
Not gonna waste my breath going through the rest of your list, as I've stated my reasons beforehand.
Bute was Froch's best win. I'm not going to discredit. However, Broner's win over Demarco was better (but not by far).

Dedication · 11-21-2012, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Elite

This. Also beating Demarco wasn`t anything special. Not like Demarco was elite or a great fighter.

Same could be said about Bute though.
Works both ways.

Bogotazo · 11-21-2012, 02:19 PM

Bute > DeMarco. There's no argument for overall resume, Broner loses badly, and even if you try to define pound for pound as what a fighter has accomplished lately, Bute is a good step up from DeMarco.

DeMarco has beaten Linares. Gutsy and impressive, but big fucking deal. Linares > Johnson.

Any way you trace the wins, Broner is not more accomplished.

VBOX · 11-21-2012, 08:26 PM

You do realize that a competitive loss to a top fighter can sometimes be equal to a totally uncompetitive win against an overmatched opponent? Not in frontrunner Dedication land I suppose.

Edit: I actually think Broner is a better boxer, I just don't agree with your logic. Broner has done just about sweet F.A. up until 135. I don't really rate his super featherweight resume and I'm thrilled that his team is moving him along because he is clearly ready.

Godsavethequeen · 11-21-2012, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Dedication

Broner just moved up a division and beat the top guy with ease.

It's laughable that all these people here are complaining.

What has Froch done other than lose to Ward, Dirrell and Kessler?

Since when do fighters get props for losing?

Hmmm You say Ward never lost to PDL, which is right as Ward has a W next to his name in the record books. But you then state that Froch lost to Dirrell when Froch has a W next to his name in the record books..
You are obviously a Troll with a GAY ass Avatar

dealt_with · 11-21-2012, 10:31 PM

You're exactly right. Froch has never moved weight divisions either so he's not exactly p4p material when he's probably around 4th in his own weight division.
Johnson is still fighting and has beaten better fighters than Froch as well as losing to better names than anyone Froch's lost to. Froch fanboys think he deserves credit just for fighting tough comp (which was his duty as part of the super six), he couldn't even beat half of his super six competitors. Ward, Kessler and Dirrell (should've) beat him so how anyone can have him anywhere near a p4p list is beyond me. He's not elite and he'll always lose against top fighters, just because Bute was hyped up doesn't make that a good win. Andrade had already cracked that chin in Canada and everybody who was paying attention knew that Bute was a fraud. It's amazing what hype can do for a fighter, doesn't matter what happens in the ring... Froch is tough and determined, that doesn't put you on a p4p list. Ward showed us where Froch stands as a 'skilled' boxer.

Godsavethequeen · 11-21-2012, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by dealt_with

you're exactly right. Froch has never moved weight divisions either so he's not exactly p4p material when he's probably around 4th in his own weight division.
Johnson is still fighting and has beaten better fighters than froch as well as losing to better names than anyone froch's lost to. Froch fanboys think he deserves credit just for fighting tough comp (which was his duty as part of the super six), he couldn't even beat half of his super six competitors. Ward, kessler and dirrell (should've) beat him so how anyone can have him anywhere near a p4p list is beyond me. He's not elite and he'll always lose against top fighters, just because bute was hyped up doesn't make that a good win. Andrade had already cracked that chin in canada and everybody who was paying attention knew that bute was a fraud. It's amazing what hype can do for a fighter, doesn't matter what happens in the ring... Froch is tough and determined, that doesn't put you on a p4p list. Ward showed us where froch stands as a 'skilled' boxer.

troll alert troll alert

TheJuggernaut · 11-21-2012, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Dedication

Nuthuggers taking this all to heart I see

Nobodies taking anything to heart, you're just talking stupid. Calling everyone who disagrees a nutthugger doesn't make you any less stupid

dealt_with · 11-21-2012, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Godsavethequeen

troll alert troll alert

Calling me a troll doesn't make what I say any less true. Your name is Godsavethequeen, I'm sure we can count on you for an unbiased, objective point of view on British fighters

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Bogotazo Amateur East Side VIP Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: New York Posts: 17,656 vCash: 75	Re: Why are people complaining? Broner over Froch, it's simple. Bute > DeMarco. There's no argument for overall resume, Broner loses badly, and even if you try to define pound for pound as what a fighter has accomplished lately, Bute is a good step up from DeMarco. DeMarco has beaten Linares. Gutsy and impressive, but big fucking deal. Linares > Johnson. Any way you trace the wins, Broner is not more accomplished.
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VBOX JOURNEYMAN ESB Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 577 vCash: 1656	Re: Why are people complaining? Broner over Froch, it's simple. You do realize that a competitive loss to a top fighter can sometimes be equal to a totally uncompetitive win against an overmatched opponent? Not in frontrunner Dedication land I suppose. Edit: I actually think Broner is a better boxer, I just don't agree with your logic. Broner has done just about sweet F.A. up until 135. I don't really rate his super featherweight resume and I'm thrilled that his team is moving him along because he is clearly ready.
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dealt_with Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 3,695 vCash: 500	Re: Why are people complaining? Broner over Froch, it's simple. You're exactly right. Froch has never moved weight divisions either so he's not exactly p4p material when he's probably around 4th in his own weight division. Johnson is still fighting and has beaten better fighters than Froch as well as losing to better names than anyone Froch's lost to. Froch fanboys think he deserves credit just for fighting tough comp (which was his duty as part of the super six), he couldn't even beat half of his super six competitors. Ward, Kessler and Dirrell (should've) beat him so how anyone can have him anywhere near a p4p list is beyond me. He's not elite and he'll always lose against top fighters, just because Bute was hyped up doesn't make that a good win. Andrade had already cracked that chin in Canada and everybody who was paying attention knew that Bute was a fraud. It's amazing what hype can do for a fighter, doesn't matter what happens in the ring... Froch is tough and determined, that doesn't put you on a p4p list. Ward showed us where Froch stands as a 'skilled' boxer.
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