Roy Williams should have been awarded the KO in the Shavers fight

SuzieQ49 · 11-21-2012, 10:18 PM

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ywFes0AOPE[/ame]

3:40 fight should have absolutely been stopped by the ref and the fight been given to roy williams by TKO. I don't know how Shavers recovered, but he had no business being allowed to continue.

mr. magoo · 11-21-2012, 11:13 PM

Perhaps. And if it had been another referee or different set of men in Shaver's corner, your proposed outcome may have occurred. But with all due respect, I don't think that we should be remiss in denying Earnie credit for weathering the storm and coming out victorious. its moment's like those that make boxing most memorable and Shavers gave us one of the best examples of what a fighting heart looks like. It was very similar to a scenario that occurred when Earnie himself had a young talented champion on the canvas, who was very nearly KO'd.

SuzieQ49 · 11-22-2012, 01:13 AM

Disagree Maghoo,

Shavers was completely out on his feet, his backed turned, he looked a few big punches away from being seriously wounded, perhaps brain damaged. He was defenseless, and going to get hurt. The ref finally stepped between them, and instead of waiving the fight off and giving it to Roy, he decided to give shavers a standing 8 count. Wrong move.

The Funny Man 7 · 11-22-2012, 04:11 AM

It takes guts to claim that Shavers should have lost a fight he went on to win by kayo, but its not completely crazy, especially considering how dire Shavers looked.

I think Sean O'Grady's win over Shig Fukuyama falls into the same category. O'Grady was taking horrible punishment and his face was a mess but he came back to stop Fukuyama, who seemingly gassed. Granted, the ending in that fight was far less conclusive than Shavers' win over Williams, since Fukuyama was stopped prematurely.

mr. magoo · 11-22-2012, 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuzieQ49

Disagree Maghoo,

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Senor Pepe' · 11-22-2012, 10:58 AM

Saturday Afternoon - December 1976

The Aladdin Hotel Theatre- Las Vegas

Attendance; 2160

I think anyone in the Earnie Shavers Camp would have complained if
the bout was stopped, with anything less than a true knockout or death
from a brain injury.

Earnie had previously signed an agreement letter to face Muhammad Ali in 1977.

To have a 'monster' like 6' 4" 230 lb. Roy 'Tiger' Williams bouncing punches
off of your fighter's head like that, a compassionate manager would have
thrown in the towell or rushed into the ring.

But, Earnie's corner (Manager, Joseph 'Blackie' Gennaro') was looking at 'money',
not Earnie's well being.

But the real issue, inpept Referee - Buddy Basilico, a guy who hadn't been the
'third man' in the ring in 3-years, and had a reputation of a Referee who let
fights go 'way too long' before stopping them.

11-21-2012, 10:18 PM	#1
SuzieQ49 Undisputed Champion East Side VIP Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Boston, Ma Posts: 12,955 vCash: 1000	Roy Williams should have been awarded the KO in the Shavers fight [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ywFes0AOPE[/ame] 3:40 fight should have absolutely been stopped by the ref and the fight been given to roy williams by TKO. I don't know how Shavers recovered, but he had no business being allowed to continue.
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11-21-2012, 11:13 PM	#2
mr. magoo Undisputed Champion East Side VIP Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Chicago, Illinois USA Posts: 12,494 vCash: 1000	Re: Roy Williams should have been awarded the KO in the Shavers fight Perhaps. And if it had been another referee or different set of men in Shaver's corner, your proposed outcome may have occurred. But with all due respect, I don't think that we should be remiss in denying Earnie credit for weathering the storm and coming out victorious. its moment's like those that make boxing most memorable and Shavers gave us one of the best examples of what a fighting heart looks like. It was very similar to a scenario that occurred when Earnie himself had a young talented champion on the canvas, who was very nearly KO'd.
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11-22-2012, 01:13 AM	#3
SuzieQ49 Undisputed Champion East Side VIP Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Boston, Ma Posts: 12,955 vCash: 1000	Re: Roy Williams should have been awarded the KO in the Shavers fight Disagree Maghoo, Shavers was completely out on his feet, his backed turned, he looked a few big punches away from being seriously wounded, perhaps brain damaged. He was defenseless, and going to get hurt. The ref finally stepped between them, and instead of waiving the fight off and giving it to Roy, he decided to give shavers a standing 8 count. Wrong move.
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11-22-2012, 04:11 AM	#4
The Funny Man 7 Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: here (duh!) Posts: 3,473 vCash: 1280	Re: Roy Williams should have been awarded the KO in the Shavers fight It takes guts to claim that Shavers should have lost a fight he went on to win by kayo, but its not completely crazy, especially considering how dire Shavers looked. I think Sean O'Grady's win over Shig Fukuyama falls into the same category. O'Grady was taking horrible punishment and his face was a mess but he came back to stop Fukuyama, who seemingly gassed. Granted, the ending in that fight was far less conclusive than Shavers' win over Williams, since Fukuyama was stopped prematurely.
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11-22-2012, 10:58 AM	#6
Senor Pepe' Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 4,734 vCash: 500	Re: Roy Williams should have been awarded the KO in the Shavers fight Saturday Afternoon - December 1976 The Aladdin Hotel Theatre- Las Vegas Attendance; 2160 I think anyone in the Earnie Shavers Camp would have complained if the bout was stopped, with anything less than a true knockout or death from a brain injury. Earnie had previously signed an agreement letter to face Muhammad Ali in 1977. To have a 'monster' like 6' 4" 230 lb. Roy 'Tiger' Williams bouncing punches off of your fighter's head like that, a compassionate manager would have thrown in the towell or rushed into the ring. But, Earnie's corner (Manager, Joseph 'Blackie' Gennaro') was looking at 'money', not Earnie's well being. But the real issue, inpept Referee - Buddy Basilico, a guy who hadn't been the 'third man' in the ring in 3-years, and had a reputation of a Referee who let fights go 'way too long' before stopping them. Last edited by Senor Pepe'; 11-22-2012 at 11:20 AM.
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