Jim Robinson and Sonny Liston - '1st-Round Knock-out Victims'

[BillB]

Originally Posted by ron u.k.

Listen Pepe,as far as i'm concerned Sonny lay down,for whatever reason i wouldn't know.
However my point is Ali knew nothing of it,his immediate reaction to Liston going down tells everyone that.

I agree. Ali was surprised by it and didn't even realize he had hit him. In the immediate post fight interview Ali didn't know if it was a left or a right he hit him with. He asked to look at the tapes. He had no idea what sent Liston down.

I think Ali assumed Liston was going to dive later in the fight. That's probably what they had rehearsed.

Liston didn't follow the script, for whatever reason.

[Senor Pepe']

Jimmy Cannon, Jack Dempsey, Bill Heinz and Rocky Marciano

The 'Ali Lovers' will call these 'Great Men'.........'clueless'

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[ron u.k.]

Originally Posted by BillB

I agree. Ali was surprised by it and didn't even realize he had hit him. In the immediate post fight interview Ali didn't know if it was a left or a right he hit him with. He asked to look at the tapes. He had no idea what sent Liston down.

I think Ali assumed Liston was going to dive later in the fight. That's probably what they had rehearsed.

Liston didn't follow the script, for whatever reason.

[TheSouthpaw]

I cant find any footage of this fight at all, And my question is why couldnt they find a HW sub instead of a WW..I mean were they trying to get this guy killed?..something fishy about that since HW's were a dime a dozen back then as were sparring partners.

[SolomonDeedes]

Is there no more from Doctor Zuntov? I was hoping that such a learned academic treatise would at least include an appendix where he showed the mathematical formulae used to calculate punching power by the energy-force theory. Perhaps a discussion of the application of Planck's constant to sparring.

[Senor Pepe']

Originally Posted by SolomonDeedes

Is there no more from Doctor Zuntov? I was hoping that such a learned academic treatise would at least include an appendix where he showed the mathematical formulae used to calculate punching power by the energy-force theory. Perhaps a discussion of the application of Planck's constant to sparring.

Dr. Alexander Zuntov,

Never took into account, the amount of J & B Scotch that Sonny Boy
consumed the night before the fight.

If Sonny Boy walked into the ring that night in Lewiston, Maine with a
severe 'hangover', a mediocre punch would have felled him.

[ron u.k.]

Pepe you're priceless.After being made to think by my good mate Doug.ie i can only approach your posts in a brand new light!
So on top of taking a dive old Sonny was pissed!!!

[Senor Pepe']

Ron U.K.

Do you understand formula's.

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Or as Jack Dempsey said,.......'I didn't watch the fight because
I knew something like this was going to happen.'

Interpretation..... Cassius Clay ain't knocking anybody out with that punch.

[SolomonDeedes]

Originally Posted by Senor Pepe'

Ron U.K.

Do you understand formula's.

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Interesting. I see Zuntov's theories took in Newton's laws of motion as well as quantum mechanics.

Perhaps his analysis of "motion, space and time" in the ring will help clarify why Niels Bohr and Albert Einstein disagreed so strongly over whether Johnson could have beaten Dempsey.

[Senor Pepe']

Mr. Solomon,

C'mon Guy, It's All Ball Bearings Nowadays.

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[Senor Pepe']

Howard Cosell,,

'Cassius Clay has never been known as a 'one-punch knocker outer'.

Classic logic from a brilliant mind.