ESPN Heavyweight Title Lineage

[Nightcrawler]

just started watching, fucking love it! tommy burns looks surprisingly not shitty on film

[Todd498]

Originally Posted by kiddynamite

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[lufcrazy]

Originally Posted by Nightcrawler

can't see the argument against holmes really: created a new lineage against norton. if you don't like that, he confirmed the lineage against ali.

The whole 1v2 thing according to those who follow linearity.

In theory Ali remained champ till he retired and whilst Holmes assumed the number 1 spot he never beat number 2 and a parkinsons riddled Ali doesn't count.

I think he was the best HW out there from Norton till retirement but I'm just saying his status doesn't hold true when 1v2 is enforced.

[Johnstown]

the dempsey bit is a bit annoying..they show a brief bit of willard dempsey, than they show him beating up cowboy lutterll...

[dyna]

ESPN is stupid.

All a bunch of Calzhage nuthuggers

[Colonel Sanders]

Originally Posted by Johnstown

the dempsey bit is a bit annoying..they show a brief bit of willard dempsey, than they show him beating up cowboy lutterll...

[Jear]

I dont consider Hart and Burns as linear champs. Johnson defeating Jefferies is the passing of the torch.

Lineage stops with Tunney but as only one title was at stake it is reestablished with Schmelling. Ditto with Marciano and Patterson.

Holmes defeating Ali maintained genuine lineage. Lewis' retirement has muddied the waters as now with the splintered title it is much harder to reestablish. Who and when it is/was reestablished is open to real debate

[lufcrazy]

Originally Posted by Jear

I dont consider Hart and Burns as linear champs. Johnson defeating Jefferies is the passing of the torch.

Lineage stops with Tunney but as only one title was at stake it is reestablished with Schmelling. Ditto with Marciano and Patterson.

Holmes defeating Ali maintained genuine lineage. Lewis' retirement has muddied the waters as now with the splintered title it is much harder to reestablish. Who and when it is/was reestablished is open to real debate

I'm surprised you consider a champ
still to be a champ even when he's retired.

[Jear]

Originally Posted by lufcrazy

I'm surprised you consider a champ
still to be a champ even when he's retired.

for me their return allows genuine lineage to continue. where possible it is about beating the man who beat the man

[PowerPuncher]

Good find, my thoughts, firstly ESPN MUST HAVE HIDDEN FOOTAGE

Corbett - not half bad, balance isn't great but not half bad use of angles, the jab, the counter right, some of his opponents were rank novices though that any decent boxer would make a fool of

Fitz - not too bad counter punching style

Jeffries - little footage but he doesn't look like he has any basic level of skill, looks like he just wants to walk to his opponent and hold and wrestle/throw, which I suppose reflects his wrestling background, but not even using a jab or any lead punches

Burns - decent jab and counter right, looks a bit like a lesser Mickey Walker

[lufcrazy]

Originally Posted by Jear

for me their return allows genuine lineage to continue. where possible it is about beating the man who beat the man

It just seems a bit worthless to me. If Lewis came back today and lost to chiaora would you class him the new champion?