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Old 11-22-2012, 12:12 PM   #16
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p4p, he's a much better fighter.

h2h? Yeah, actually, DPDL has a great shot even giving up mass. He is that much better.
IB you are crazy to think DP beats Demarco. And anybody that continues talking about Broner win over DP is an idiot. Nobody on the planet wants to see them fight now for a reason
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Old 11-22-2012, 12:15 PM   #17
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People are just regarding the win as a solid statement. That's all. Not a career-defining scalp or anything.



The name on paper isn't what gives it the razzle-dazzle factor - it's how Broner went about it. Absolute domination of someone that a few people (stupidly) gave a chance against him. Beyond what anyone - even Broner fans - were imagining, in terms of sheer one-sided brutality.

10x more impressive than what Valero did to a rawer ADM.

Broner >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Valero. (not that it's really saying much in and of itself, because Valero was ridiculously overrated, especially as a lightweight)
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Old 11-22-2012, 12:16 PM   #18
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IB you are crazy to think DP beats Demarco. And anybody that continues talking about Broner win over DP is an idiot. Nobody on the planet wants to see them fight now for a reason
Your opinion of Ponce 2.0 is clearly too low, and/or your opinion of Tony too high.

I'm not arguing for Broner vs. De Leon II; Broner is improving every time out much more rapidly than DPDL (for whom it's been a slow and steady climb since the JuanMa wake-up call, whereas Broner is coming into his own and becoming a dynamic machine approaching but not even yet fully in his prime)
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Old 11-22-2012, 12:20 PM   #19
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Your opinion of Ponce 2.0 is clearly too low, and/or your opinion of Tony too high.

I'm not arguing for Broner vs. De Leon II; Broner is improving every time out much more rapidly than DPDL (for whom it's been a slow and steady climb since the JuanMa wake-up call, whereas Broner is coming into his own and becoming a dynamic machine approaching but not even yet fully in his prime)
no I think Demarco sucks and said before the fight Broner would kill him
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Old 11-22-2012, 12:21 PM   #20
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no I think Demarco sucks and said before the fight Broner would kill him
So, you must also think Ponce sucks or you're too hung up on the size difference for you to say it's crazy tipping him over DeMarco.
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Old 11-22-2012, 12:26 PM   #21
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Broner is a young guy (23) who's still climbing the ladder - only been a pro for 4 years. At this point in his career, the DeMarco win was pretty damn impressive.

All that being said, lightweight is pretty void of elite level talent right now. It's one of the more mediocre divisions in boxing right now. 140 pounds has so much more talent. I think we'll see Broner fight once or twice more at LW, then move up.
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Old 11-22-2012, 12:33 PM   #22
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I agree with the OP, and this isn't revisionist. I've been consistently saying (since before Valero fought DeMarco) that Tony isn't and won't ever be ready for prime time.

He was getting schooled by Linares until the latter's flaws (and his own dogged perseverance, one of the tools that brings him close to being able to hang with the world class) gave him a perfect in.

Similarly, he dodged a bullet due to Adjaho's stupidity/cowardice in a match that could have easily wound up an L on his record otherwise. (to a B- level guy, no less)

Kid Diamond was shot.

His next best victories after those are nothing to suggest he's what many prop him up to be. He's an overachiever, and a product of lucky circumstances several times over. Easy to root for, spirit of a warrior and all - but no, he isn't and never was elite or even close.

Molina is rubbish.

Broner was always going to bat DeMarco around like a cat toy, and I said this from the moment it was signed.

This isn't about discrediting Broner (whom I admittedly do disdain) - it's quite the opposite. It's about recognizing that he's leaps and bounds above the ESPN level that DeMarco truly is.
Some sense , i couldnt have put it better
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So, you must also think Ponce sucks or you're too hung up on the size difference to say it's crazy tipping him over DeMarco.
I think Pounce is average the size difference would be enough
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Old 11-22-2012, 12:35 PM   #24
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People are just regarding the win as a solid statement. That's all. Not a career-defining scalp or anything.
LOL you tell that to The Ring who have shoved him up their ranks past froch
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Old 11-22-2012, 12:37 PM   #25
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LOL you tell that to The Ring who have shoved him up their ranks past froch
Say what??!!

They seriously done that?
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Old 11-22-2012, 12:38 PM   #26
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I think Pounce is average the size difference would be enough
So you acknowledge that relative to size PDL is greater? You'd say he's average and DeMarco somewhat below average? We're not that far apart then, except I rate DeMarco as average and PDL a bit above.
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Old 11-22-2012, 12:39 PM   #27
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Say what??!!

They seriously done that?
Yes, three spots higher. There were a dozen threads on it yesterday, quite the uproar.
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Old 11-22-2012, 12:44 PM   #28
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Say what??!!

They seriously done that?
Boner at 13 froch at 18 , maybe the source is wrong, but ive heard a lot of rambling about too
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Yes, three spots higher. There were a dozen threads on it yesterday, quite the uproar.
Well, thankfully, the Ring P4P rankings don't mean shit.
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Boner at 13 froch at 18 , maybe the source is wrong, but ive heard a lot of rambling about too
Thought I'd read 12 and 15.
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