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Old 11-22-2012, 02:12 PM   #46
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I think the reason you can't stop the fight against it is because of the kids and the young athletes coming through (as corny as that sounds). It's bad enough that kids dedicate their lives to becoming a top athlete and then they get there and realise that everyone is doping. You can't have a system where if you want to compete you absolutely HAVE to dope and kids grow up knowing they need to take drugs. At least with an increase in antidoping athletes feel like they don't necessarily have to make that choice.

The more confidence in the antidoping measures then the less athletes worry about what their opponents might be taking and therefore don't feel the need to level the playing field.
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Old 11-22-2012, 02:56 PM   #47
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It funny how people use weight in looks as a factor for presumed PED use but check out the pics:

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There's not a huge lot of difference between the second and third fights and the first they are a bit smaller but nothing outrageous. If anything Marquez looks to have blked more than pacquaio has but I don't think there looks (size wise) make a great argument for PEDE use at all.
I know it can be put down to age but the difference in Pacquiao's head I each photo is quite alarming.
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Old 11-22-2012, 03:07 PM   #48
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no no primetime..
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Old 11-22-2012, 03:46 PM   #49
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It's interesting the lengths people will go to to not believe that their heroes are juicing. I couldn't even convince my friend that Tom Hardy juiced up to play Bane and he's not even a sportsman, I had no hope convincing them about Nadal or Bolt.

I understand the stigma associated with sports because juicing when your opponent isn't will give you an unfair advantage but I don't understand why it's so hush hush with actors and members of the public who want to bulk up.

I think steroids should be legal in sports either way. I don't see how taking more testosterone is any different than taking protein shakes or drinking energy drinks to hype you up. They're all just giving you more of what you can get naturally. Legalising them would actually level the playing field too.
Was Tom Hardy on the juice?
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Old 11-22-2012, 04:14 PM   #50
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victor conte has been labling this fight : chemical warfare 2

due the involvement on ariza and meno ( marquez's strenght and conditioning guy)

they all on shit, trust me world level they all do at least hgh and insulin etc
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Old 11-22-2012, 05:35 PM   #51
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I know it can be put down to age but the difference in Pacquiao's head I each photo is quite alarming.
To be fair, Pacquaio's head looks quite the size in all three, certainly bigger than Marquez but not as much in the third pic. Take that for what you will.
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Old 11-22-2012, 07:02 PM   #52
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Whoever was struggling to convince their mates Nadal was on steroids.. He gets enriched plasma treatment on his knee. His blood is taken out, treated with chemicals and then reinjected around the affect area (unsure if that's the correct procedure, but it's similar) anyway.. Boris Becker alluded to it when he was out injured for 3 months and came back serving 10 mph faster.. He insinuated that Nadal was on steroids during the game, then when Nadal was asked about it, he said he changed the grip on his racquet. Dirty cheater.. Just like Pacquiao, Floyd, Marquez, Berto, Peterson, Olubamiwo, Whyte, Enzo.. Etc etc.
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Old 11-22-2012, 07:12 PM   #53
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Victor Conte talks in detail about Angel 'Memo' Herieda with Joe Rogan here

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azzhD2QJ8B0[/ame]

basically said that 'Memo' is also a consultant with the Jamican sprint team, and Usain Bolt is also on PEDS. JMM is on something, for sure
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Old 11-22-2012, 07:23 PM   #54
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Was Tom Hardy on the juice?
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completely transform his body for the role, gaining more than 30lbs of muscle in that time with regular workouts and training.
He says: "I had about six weeks prior to filming where we trained to gain weight."
30lbs(debateable but still) in 6 weeks natural. You'd be lucky to put on 10lbs in 6 weeks.
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Old 11-22-2012, 08:13 PM   #55
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How many "experts" on this thread have actually trained at a serious level themselves?
The transformation in JMM is possible without PEDs. I'm not a professional athlete committed to my sport 24/7 and I could do it with strict diet and a precise training schedule.
In terms of boxers, PEDs are a shortcut but you can get to the same place physically with hard graft and discipline. Now competition bodybuilders who freak up is a different topic all together.
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Old 11-22-2012, 08:43 PM   #56
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Victor Conte talks in detail about Angel 'Memo' Herieda with Joe Rogan here

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basically said that 'Memo' is also a consultant with the Jamican sprint team, and Usain Bolt is also on PEDS. JMM is on something, for sure
Interesting that Conte is saying you get your best results 14 days after you stop using.

What were Manny's request for a cut off time with the Mayweather dealings, if anyone can remember?
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Old 11-23-2012, 04:36 AM   #57
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Interesting that Conte is saying you get your best results 14 days after you stop using.

What were Manny's request for a cut off time with the Mayweather dealings, if anyone can remember?
they went up to 21 days i think
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Old 11-23-2012, 04:36 AM   #58
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30lbs(debateable but still) in 6 weeks natural. You'd be lucky to put on 10lbs in 6 weeks.
The acne is suspicious, the weight gain less so for me. It's not as if it was mostly muscle, he looked a bit fat in that film to me.
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Old 11-23-2012, 04:43 AM   #59
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JMM doesn't look like he's been training for a fight, he simply looks like he's been trying to get as muscular as possible.

Boxers' physiques these days are starting to look totally different to how they used to years ago. I'm not saying they are doing anything illegal, but it doesn't seem natural.
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Old 11-23-2012, 05:03 AM   #60
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JMM doesn't look like he's been training for a fight, he simply looks like he's been trying to get as muscular as possible.

Boxers' physiques these days are starting to look totally different to how they used to years ago. I'm not saying they are doing anything illegal, but it doesn't seem natural.
JMM looks in good shape to me, that's all. I don't see how being slightly muscular in unnatural?

If boxers physiques have changed in recent years it's probably down to them using weights more than they have in the past. Traditionally boxing trainers were very against the idea of weight training.
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