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Old 11-23-2012, 05:13 AM   #61
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when you see definition like that in the shoulders you know JMM has been benefitting from some srious high testosterone levels
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Old 11-23-2012, 05:23 AM   #62
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How many "experts" on this thread have actually trained at a serious level themselves?
The transformation in JMM is possible without PEDs. I'm not a professional athlete committed to my sport 24/7 and I could do it with strict diet and a precise training schedule.
In terms of boxers, PEDs are a shortcut but you can get to the same place physically with hard graft and discipline. Now competition bodybuilders who freak up is a different topic all together.
you think you could do what exactly??

and no you cant get to the same place whilst being clean against someone who is cycling on, the benefits are a lot more than what you think
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Old 11-23-2012, 05:28 AM   #63
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you think you could do what exactly??

and no you cant get to the same place whilst being clean against someone who is cycling on, the benefits are a lot more than what you think
Do you have personal experience of this sort of thing Southpaw Slayer?
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Old 11-23-2012, 05:29 AM   #64
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Marquez is working with the best in the PED's business. It's funny how butthurt the Marquez fans(i'm a Marquez fan for his boxing skills) get on the General forum when you mention PED's
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Old 11-23-2012, 05:30 AM   #65
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Have to disagree, JamieC. Sure, he improved on his conditioning and the look of his body, but by and large the main difference was the style he was up against. A style (Pacquiao's) he matches against better than anyone else.
He was much stronger and able to use his legs to stay out of range, which he wasn't able to do that much against Casamayor, Diaz and Katsidis.
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Old 11-23-2012, 05:30 AM   #66
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Them shoulders are ridiculous. Far be it from to make wild accusations but Marquez is definatly injecting steroids into his ballsack.
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Old 11-23-2012, 05:33 AM   #67
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He was much stronger and able to use his legs to stay out of range, which he wasn't able to do that much against Casamayor, Diaz and Katsidis.
That's not hard evidence of PED use though is it.

There's every chance he just strengthend his legs through weight training without the use of illegal drugs.
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Old 11-23-2012, 05:36 AM   #68
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Them shoulders are ridiculous. Far be it from to make wild accusations but Marquez is definatly injecting steroids into his ballsack.
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Old 11-23-2012, 05:41 AM   #69
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hopefully justice will be done 4th time around!
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Old 11-23-2012, 05:45 AM   #70
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Do you have personal experience of this sort of thing Southpaw Slayer?
yes
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Old 11-23-2012, 05:52 AM   #71
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Fair enough, perhaps you know better than me then.

My point remains though, you certainly don't need PED's to see a physical improvement like that JMM currently exhibits.

I personally as well as several others I know have put on a lot of muscle whilst staying lean and none of have used drugs to do so.
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Old 11-23-2012, 05:59 AM   #72
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There were dudes back in the day with extraordinary builds who obviously weren't using this shit.

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Harold Johnson was an utter beast.
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Old 11-23-2012, 06:01 AM   #73
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Just because Drug cheats are being caught..? its killing boxing.

What kind of retarded ideology is that..?

You ****ing mongs.

Its the other way round mongoloid, they aren't being caught.
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Old 11-23-2012, 06:19 AM   #74
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There were dudes back in the day with extraordinary builds who obviously weren't using this shit.

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Harold Johnson was an utter beast.
As was Borkorsor.

Anyway, JMM is not in this bracket. It's clear to see.
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Old 11-23-2012, 06:21 AM   #75
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Fair enough, perhaps you know better than me then.

My point remains though, you certainly don't need PED's to see a physical improvement like that JMM currently exhibits.

I personally as well as several others I know have put on a lot of muscle whilst staying lean and none of have used drugs to do so.

your point is flawed mate, big difference in training with weights to look good and boxing training

marquez whilst putting on a lot of muscle has kept his skill, speed, agility etc. He doesnt go to the gym and lift weights like you, he trains to box on a low calorie diet to make weight, if you take into account all these factors and for it not to impact his boxing then you need performance enhancers
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