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Old 11-23-2012, 02:58 PM   #16
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No, I can name 104 men who would beat them.
And 2 are golfers.
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Old 11-23-2012, 03:00 PM   #17
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No. Neither has ever knocked out anyone with a great chin, great speed, great skill, great power, who is the same size or bigger, in their primes, who will make the HOF, in the first round, with one punch. That hurts their standing too much. Plus, Volo got knocked out three times by people I've never heard of. People no one has ever heard of.

Edit: Wait-of which no one has ever heard, I mean.
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Old 11-23-2012, 03:01 PM   #18
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Wlad belongs with Ali,Homes,Foreman,Holyfield,Louis,Dempsey ?
We will know that once Wlad retires. It's too early to tell.

Everything will go down the drain if Wlad gets knocked out by a random nobody from here on. If he stays unbeaten and adds 6-8 solid wins it will be extremely hard to justify not to place him within the top 15 at least, probably top 10.
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Old 11-23-2012, 03:03 PM   #19
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Top 10? Come on man. Beating Mormeck,Wach,Haye is equivalent to beating say Liston,Foreman,Patterson,Frazier ?

Wlad belongs with Ali,Homes,Foreman,Holyfield,Louis,Dempsey ?

No other ATG was 3 times KO'd before age 35. No other ATG had their brother to help them. Dont underestimate the brother thing.
Patterson would be eaten by Haye alive.


Also who has Dempsey ever beaten?
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Old 11-23-2012, 03:04 PM   #20
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Wladimir is most certainly not. You dont earn greatness by beating guys who are past it or who never had it. He has never had to overcome the odds in the face of adversity. 3 knock out loses against 2 nobody's and 1 average to decent fighter.
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Old 11-23-2012, 03:08 PM   #21
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He has never had to overcome the odds in the face of adversity.
Really?

Did you see his first fight vs. Peter? Wlad was the underdog coming into this fight and recovered from three knockdowns to win the fight on the cards.

You seem to have a strong opinion on Wlad considering you know so little about his career
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Old 11-23-2012, 03:11 PM   #22
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Really?

Did you see his first fight vs. Peter? Wlad was the underdog coming into this fight and recovered from three knockdowns to win the fight on the cards.

You seem to have a strong opinion on Wlad considering you know so little about his career
Peter was robbed.


(Just joking)
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Old 11-23-2012, 03:12 PM   #23
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How can many claim fighters like Ward are already or almost ATG yet the Klits are not? Ward hasnt beaten any other ATG, isnt KOing ppl left right and center and has only beaten what many on here call "eurobums". Why do some fighters get a pass and others like the Klits a hard time?
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Old 11-23-2012, 03:13 PM   #24
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I saw those two Peter fights. Wlad knew him inside out and still got floored.
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Old 11-23-2012, 03:28 PM   #25
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Top 10? Come on man. Beating Mormeck,Wach,Haye is equivalent to beating say Liston,Foreman,Patterson,Frazier ?

Wlad belongs with Ali,Homes,Foreman,Holyfield,Louis,Dempsey ?

No other ATG was 3 times KO'd before age 35. No other ATG had their brother to help them. Dont underestimate the brother thing.
- outstanding amateur record
- former Olympic SHW gold medalist
- 62 pro fights with 50 KO's; only 3 losses
- defeated several former Olympic medalists and professional titlists
- RING, IBF, IBO, WBC, WBA titles
- established new HW lineage in 2009
- 18 total title defenses (6 of lineal championship)

There are no Louis', Marciano's or Dempseys to fight right now; all Klitschko can do is fight who's available and willing. He's done that and he's dominated. You OBSESS on the the 3 losses, but since he worked out the kinks he's been an unstoppable force and hardly lost a round.

During the EPIX broadcast of Klitschko-Wach, both Lou DiBella dn Dan Rafael said that Wlad is already a top ten ATG heavyweight. They made that statement and repeated that statement numerous times during the broadcast. Freddie Roach has said it in the past, as have several other boxing experts.

Wlad is not the only ATG HW champion to reign during a weak era (Louis, Holmes, Tyson) nor under unique circumstances.
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Old 11-23-2012, 03:30 PM   #26
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only wlad
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Old 11-23-2012, 03:33 PM   #27
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I saw those two Peter fights. Wlad knew him inside out and still got floored.
Unfortunate your "Wlad has never faced adversity" theory was blown to pieces
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Old 11-23-2012, 03:48 PM   #28
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Peter was a poor fighter, thats unfortunate.

Vitali could of been if it weren't for injuries and tko6. He probably would of beaten Lewis. He also didn't look spectacular against Chorisa, who he should of.
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Old 11-23-2012, 03:50 PM   #29
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It's sad but it seems Wlad is gonna be one of those guys who doesn't get the universal recognition that he deserves until long after he's retired.

Alot of you guys base your judgements/opinions on 1 or 2 fights instead of a man's complete body of work. Unfortunate.
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Old 11-23-2012, 05:41 PM   #30
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It's not. Many people (mistakenly) assume that because a US fighter isn't on top, the division must be bad. That's crazy talk . . . the sport is more worldwide today than ever before.

Look at how the US has lost ground in all other sports over the last 50-years due to increased competition
. Same has happened in boxing, no difference.

I don't understand what sports you are talking about. The only major sports Americans really care about are the NFL,NBA,MLB,NHL. And they don't compete against teams from other countries besides Canada. So how can they lose ground? or be considered weaker then teams of the same sports from different countries? Besides the Latinos in the MLB and the Russians(generalizing the USSR to one) in the NHL, the teams are filled with Americans, and would be heavily favored to beat any team from any country in competition. We also win the most medals in the Olympics, and although we definitely have programs and schools for these events, are not like China, who literally groom and create athletes from their booming population from the time of their inception.

But you are right about if the fighter is not American, or overly charismatic, it's hard for Americans to notice or appreciate the athlete. It also doesn't help that if you don't get premium channels( HBO,Showtime,Epix) or have the money to afford the PPV's, you can't find boxing on Tv besides FNF. And that talent is on such a low compared to the elite, it's hard to gain new fans, or make people wanna learn the science behind it. We're lucky to even get highlights or fight results announced on ESPN, if it doesn't have to do with Mayweather or Pac.

I left out Racing because i don't consider it a sport, and Tennis and Golf, which are usually dominated by one or two people for yrs ie, Tiger, Williams sisters, Federer, or won by a complete nobody that pulls off an epic upset.

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- outstanding amateur record
- former Olympic SHW gold medalist
- 62 pro fights with 50 KO's; only 3 losses
- defeated several former Olympic medalists and professional titlists
- RING, IBF, IBO, WBC, WBA titles
- established new HW lineage in 2009
- 18 total title defenses (6 of lineal championship)
It should be 51 Ko's right?? if memory serves me right, before the Haye fight Wlad had 50 written on his had, suggesting Haye would be #50 KO victim, and although Haye went the distance, Wlad then went on to stop Mormeck, and Thopmson by KO, so there would be #'s 50, and 51

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