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Old 11-24-2012, 12:54 PM   #61
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Technically Robert is a superior fighter......but Berto his working with more athleticism and raw talent. He's faster, bigger and stronger.....Not that Robert isn't talented or athletic...he is...but Andre is working with more.

Being on the juice will do that that for a guy. Since you don't have to cook PED's, the term "raw talent" could apply here.

I hope Guerrero schools his cheating ass.
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Old 11-24-2012, 01:56 PM   #62
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I've seen some Guerrero fights and some Berto fights and what comes out is that Robert is very disciplined and steady with his approach whereas Andre is all flashy and heavy handed in there. I know that you gat to explore weak points to take advantages such as the aforementioned shoulder and hips. However, Guerrero can win this one if he throws a lot of effective punches and the ones that suit him perfectly from southpaw stance is right, str8 left, str8 right, one or two body blows and outta there we go.
Berto is gonna be xplosive as always, doubling up and tripling up his meaty hooks. What we need to damage is to create an impression that Berto is swinging wildly and so we gat to be first with the jab and the str8 left hand and let him punch back. Inside, Berto is going to try to set the right uppercut so we move out and to his left. Of course all of this if we can not make it for his speed and power or else just battle him inside and let the judges tell who's more committed and relaxed in there.
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Old 11-24-2012, 05:03 PM   #63
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I bet on Guerrero, but I thought the fight was 50/50. Seeing the weigh in, I'm inclined to give a slight edge to Berto (maybe this is what moved the price) but I still see value on Guerrero.

One thing that might be overlooked is Guerrero's chance of getting a knockdown, which would obviously help if it goes to decision. As someone pointed out, he is a sharp puncher, though not a power house. I've seen him score knockdowns with at least three different punches. Sure, it would be a shock if he KOd Berto but remember, you don't really have to even hurt Berto to knock him down. You just have to catch him at the right moment.

Berto will get to Guerrero and he's not at all certain to survive. But if he does, he'll outwork Berto enough to outscore him in the majority of rounds. A knockdown would lock it up nicely.
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Old 11-24-2012, 05:45 PM   #64
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Guerrero by decision is +321 on betting sites. I think that is kind of absurd, so I threw a bit of money on that.
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Old 11-24-2012, 11:48 PM   #65
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Guerrero's going to win tonight. He's just more skilled and Berto(e)'s too easy to hit.

I'm not even sold that Bertoe beats Aydin.

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Old 11-24-2012, 11:49 PM   #66
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I got Guerrero winning by UD, all I will say is.

We all know Berto was outboxed by Collazo and Ortiz and you dont need to knock him out to beat him, all you need is to have a solid game plan based on attacking him early and keeping that pace throughout the whole fight. It's important not to let Berto to utilize his speed and get within range of throwing those uppercuts. Andre wont be able to adjust and will find it hard winning rounds if Guerrero is focused which he will be. A fighter attempting to decision Berto has a great chance of winning.

Guerrero won his last 4 fights by decision.
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Old 11-24-2012, 11:54 PM   #67
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I won't be able to see it, as I'll be in Manchester wearing a Hatton T-shirt and drinking Guiness until Matt Hatton looks attractive.
So you got owned on TWO counts, then?
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Old 11-24-2012, 11:56 PM   #68
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Berto was not outboxed by Ortiz or Collazo. He was smothered and outworked on the inside. On the outside, Berto's hands are too fast and his timing is very good. On the inside, he can't defend at all. He just holds, and he holds ineffectively, allowing opponents free shots at him. Also, on the inside his punches don't have the power. Look at when he put Ortiz down or when he hurt Collazo, they were at mid range in exchanges where he had leverage on his shots.
Guerrero executed the game plan perfectly.
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Old 11-24-2012, 11:59 PM   #69
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Except Guerrero was eating those uppercuts all night. Maybe Berto(e) just didn't have the "juice" in them to get Robert outta there.
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Old 11-25-2012, 12:08 AM   #70
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Berto can be beat on the inside! Collazo and Ortiz both beat him on the inside and Berto could never adapt to the southpa stance. Only question is if hes big enough!
We have a winner.
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Old 11-25-2012, 12:27 AM   #71
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Anyone know the 'ring weights'? For all the concern about the size difference it was Robert pushing Berto around.
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Old 11-25-2012, 12:29 AM   #72
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That is the stupidest ever write-up in ESB.

First start with the brain? What is he going to do with the brain? Pad it?

And if you actually mean he fights intelligently, or any other similar word, why start with the brain?

Guerrero will win. So much ado about your stupid analysis.
You are so ****ing butthurt it's unreal.

Go fall on a knife.
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Old 11-25-2012, 12:55 AM   #73
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Guerrero neutralizing Berto like that so completely with his aggression was unprecedented. He looked ill-equipped on the inside against Aydin, then comes out and throws a crazy quantity of punches against Berto while pinning him for most of the fight. He was smart to know that he shouldn't risk an outside fight given Berto's speed and power, so he folded him up like I didn't expect him to be able to. Props.
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Old 11-25-2012, 01:21 AM   #74
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Default Re: Does the Ghost have a shot at beating Berto? (Technical thread)

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That is the stupidest ever write-up in ESB.

First start with the brain? What is he going to do with the brain? Pad it?

And if you actually mean he fights intelligently, or any other similar word, why start with the brain?

Guerrero will win. So much ado about your stupid analysis.
What did I say?

Same with Viloria vs. Marquez. I stated Marquez never had a chance.
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Old 11-25-2012, 01:23 AM   #75
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Default Re: Does the Ghost have a shot at beating Berto? (Technical thread)

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You are so ****ing butthurt it's unreal.

Go fall on a knife.
Butthurt?

SJS never gets his analysis right.

Any person, even a blind, would know how limited Berto is. He can't box! Handspeed is good, but he does not have a footspeed. So throw away all your analysis. Guerrero boxed the snoot out of Mayweather when they sparred - which tells you Guerrero has the footspeed to go in and out, against an opponent who does not have footspeed. Its as simple analysis.
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