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Old 11-25-2012, 10:17 AM   #16
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Oh shut up. The first knock down consisted of Guerrero holding one side of Berto's head with one hand while whacking it with the other. He was holding Berto's head to try and isolate it all fight. Robert even admitted to it when shown the vid of the first knockdown in the post-fight interview with Kellerman.

You come up with some wild stories. When will you ever learn?
Newbie, you clearly dont understand boxing. Berto clearly has NO inside game and you can't grasp that.
Start watching boxing stop watching boxers and you'll get it. You guys want to invent new rules and excuses as you go.
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Old 11-25-2012, 10:19 AM   #17
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Berto's inside game has nothing to do with the ref work, which is the point of the thread.
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Old 11-25-2012, 10:21 AM   #18
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Newbie, you clearly dont understand boxing. Berto clearly has NO inside game and you can't grasp that.
Start watching boxing stop watching boxers and you'll get it. You guys want to invent new rules and excuses as you go.
Ok, so you just proceeded to not even address what I said. I see. It's cause you have no argument. I even said as much, in the technical breakdown thread that SJS started, that Berto had no inside game, and that it was Guerrero's only real shot at winning. But maybe it's you that doesn't understand boxing, because holding and hitting is not legal. You're a ****boy, a worthless poster and just flat out wrong.

Unless you're coming back at me with some actual facts, I can deal without all the internet speech. Who the **** even says "newbie" anymore?
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Old 11-25-2012, 10:22 AM   #19
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A little holding here or there is fine, but just holding constantly like Berto did? I couldn't believe that he was warned or deducted, but he lost and has gone down in everyone's rankings. The guy does not have any inside game. He was on the backfoot all night against a fighter who is clearly a smaller guy.

The Knockdowns were legit, Guerrero was holding, but this was only because Berto would not LET GO.

Andre Berto is not an intelligent fighter.
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Old 11-25-2012, 10:23 AM   #20
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Oh shut up. The first knock down consisted of Guerrero holding one side of Berto's head with one hand while whacking it with the other. He was holding Berto's head to try and isolate it all fight. Robert even admitted to it when shown the vid of the first knockdown in the post-fight interview with Kellerman.

You come up with some wild stories. When will you ever learn?
ill tell you that i bet on berto last night and you are correct that guerrero illegally held berto while punching him that created the first knockdown and helped change the direction of the fight.

ill also tell you so what?

this is the hurt business and not ****ing checkers. it was clearly obvious that berto did not come into the first round or this fight for that matter in a war mode.

he was initially sparring with robert whereas guerrero was fighting.

and before andre knew it he was way behind on the cards.

the fault of this is either poor management, berto himself or a combination of both for bertos inability to be properly prepared for this fight.

robert guerrero did what he had to do to win the fight and andre berto did not. and now because of the beating that he sustained he assuredly lost a few fights out of his career...whatever is left of it.

and andre berto has no one to blame but himself.
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Old 11-25-2012, 10:24 AM   #21
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I did not say he wasn't holding. . . I said the ref sucked and you seem to agree with me. What I did say is that the Ghost grabbed him behind the head and hit him several times with the other. all infractions are not equal.
I think he did the right thing by letting them fight out honestly. The truth is as much as we might not like it or as ugly as it can be at times. The ref shouldn't break the fighters unless both hands are free. I didnt write the Queensbury rules.
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Old 11-25-2012, 10:25 AM   #22
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This. Guerrero was initiating all of the holding from the early through to middle rounds. The ref did nothing. Even Stevie Wonder would have spotted that.
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Old 11-25-2012, 10:26 AM   #23
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ill tell you that i bet on berto last night and you are correct that guerrero illegally held berto while punching him that created the first knockdown and helped change the direction of the fight.

ill also tell you so what?

this is the hurt business and not ****ing checkers. it was clearly obvious that berto did not come into the first round or this fight for that matter in a war mode.

he was initially sparring with robert whereas guerrero was fighting.

and before andre knew it he was way behind on the cards.

the fault of this is either poor management, berto himself or a combination of both.

robert guerrero did what he had to do to win the fight and andre berto did not. and know because fo the beating that he sustained he lost a few fights out of his career...whatever is left of it.

and andre berto has no one to blame but himself.
And what was the point of your diatribe? This thread has to do with poor refereeing, right? Is it not a referee's job to enforce the rules? I mean, if it's not, let me know.
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Old 11-25-2012, 10:26 AM   #24
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I'm watching the 9th round of Berto/Guerrero right now, and it made me think about the holding. Referees don't often get mentioned but I thought he did a good job allowing Guerrero to work on the inside when Berto was initiating clinches. Sometimes, referees jump in whenever a clinch is initiated and that allows an unfair advantage to the fighter who doesn't want to, or is incapable of, fighting on the inside. If one fighter is going to hold, the referee shouldn't immediately jump in to break them up.

Holding is cheating and should be punished by point deductions. At the very least though, referees should not openly favour one fighter by allowing them to clinch whenever they want, and then refuse to let their opponent work on the inside.
I agree. i know a lot of people have been critical of him, but he did a pretty decent job. It was an old-school fight, and he took an old-school approach in letting them go at it and fight out of clinches.
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Old 11-25-2012, 10:27 AM   #25
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Ok, so you just proceeded to not even address what I said. I see. It's cause you have no argument. I even said as much, in the technical breakdown thread that SJS started, that Berto had no inside game, and that it was Guerrero's only real shot at winning. But maybe it's you that doesn't understand boxing, because holding and hitting is not legal. You're a ****boy, a worthless poster and just flat out wrong.

Unless you're coming back at me with some actual facts, I can deal without all the internet speech. Who the **** even says "newbie" anymore?
You clearly are lost in this argument. Rules are rules you dont pick and choose. If you have one free hand you fight out. What dont you get?
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Old 11-25-2012, 10:28 AM   #26
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You clearly are lost in this argument. Rules are rules you dont pick and choose. If you have one free hand you fight out. What dont you get?
Berto wasn't holding him during the first knockdown you cunt. Flop-head.
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Old 11-25-2012, 10:30 AM   #27
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And what was the point of your diatribe? This thread has to do with poor refereeing, right? Is it not a referee's job to enforce the rules? I mean, if it's not, let me know.
do i need to spell it out for you?

okay then.

the ref had absolutely nothing to do with the outcome of the fight.
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Old 11-25-2012, 10:31 AM   #28
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Ok, so you just proceeded to not even address what I said. I see. It's cause you have no argument. I even said as much, in the technical breakdown thread that SJS started, that Berto had no inside game, and that it was Guerrero's only real shot at winning. But maybe it's you that doesn't understand boxing, because holding and hitting is not legal. You're a ****boy, a worthless poster and just flat out wrong.

Unless you're coming back at me with some actual facts, I can deal without all the internet speech. Who the **** even says "newbie" anymore?

Its funny because he has a very limited inside game even though he has all the tools
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Old 11-25-2012, 10:31 AM   #29
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You need to rewatch right now. The camera shows Berti holding on that side then Camera switches angles to Guererro free hand where he cracked Berto repeatedly til her dropped. Berto is a natural grappler when anyone fights him inside. Guerrero was smart enough to know how to beat that tactic. It was very smart inside fighting by Guerrero.
wow this guy is delusional.
u have no clue what garbage is bieng typed by you do u.

do yourself a favor,,and stay off the drugs,
the brain is a terrible thing to waste.

whats worse is that u really believe what u are saying.sad.
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Old 11-25-2012, 10:32 AM   #30
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Berto wasn't holding him during the first knockdown you cunt. Flop-head.
What's a "flop-head"?
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