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Old 11-25-2012, 01:43 PM   #31
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Hey lora! What's in the box!?! What's in the boooxxxx!???!!

Also Leonard and McFarland get a shout and no Gans or Ross or obscure Venezuelan flyweight. Classic has slipped.
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Hey lora! What's in the box!?! What's in the boooxxxx!???!!

Also Leonard and McFarland get a shout and no Gans or Ross or obscure Venezuelan flyweight. Classic has slipped.
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Oh he's going to see the Lopez mention on page one and accuse us of making out with panes of glass.
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Old 11-25-2012, 02:26 PM   #38
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What you're doing, is crowing in a thread about Ring Generalship about a fighter with Alzheimer's syndrome being stopped by an ATG...I guess sometimes obsession can blind one not only to what is good but also what is decent.
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Old 11-25-2012, 02:27 PM   #39
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i like this one a lot. ring generalship is discussed quite a bit but hardly defined.

ricardo lopez imo was a great ring general because:
1)he rarely if ever fought his opponents fight
2)he controlled the pace and distance masterfully
3)he was able to reset the fight when needed, in order to re-establish control
4)he controlled the texture of the fights cater to his OWN strengths
5)he would minimize his opponents strengths or take them away

those are aside from strict offense and defense but tells "the story" of the fight. ricardo lopez was always the author of his own fight, his opponent merely a character
Can't really disagree with this. A great ring general is never going to look entirely like another great ring general or even particularly alike at all, since the skill is dependent upon the type of fight that is being employed. Frazier was a great ring general because he forced you to fight in close where he generally had the advantage, Wlad's a great ring general because he keeps you at a distance, Hopkins is a great ring general because he prevents you from working and constantly gets in your comfort zone, Locche was a great ring general because he made you leap and lunge just to hit him and thereby expend physical and mental energy and so on.

I think your last line more or less sums it up. A great ring general is always the author of his own fight.
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Old 11-25-2012, 02:30 PM   #40
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You know what? I think there are question marks over Lopez's temperament that make his being mentioned as one of the greatest General's unreasonable - and sure as shit, his big problem versus Alvarez was his inability to do these things - range, tempo - in difficult circumstances.

I doubt Carlos Monzon would have been as upset by that cut.
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I think that's Fleas big complaint really; the one time Lopez couldn't control the pace and tempo (due to quality or size or whatever) he didn't look like Ricardo Lopez. Not bad necessarily but not like himself.
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Old 11-25-2012, 02:48 PM   #42
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I always liked Gianfranco Rosi's ring generalship.He was sort of a 154 version of old 40-ish Hopkins.Not that they looked entirely similar, but the approach and general fighting mentality was the same.

he beat a lot of other contenders who usually had the physical edge through sheer guile and constant little fouls.Always controlling the distance and tempo with cautious boxing "just enough" to win rounds and mauling just enough to keep the other fighter from getting into a settled rhythm.

Of course it came undone when he faced real A level talent(even a worn Curry still had enough of it) but he was a crafty more than the sum of the parts fighter in an era when most of his opponents were physical talents\ fairly talented specialists that didn't seem to be too smart or versatile in the ring.
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Old 11-25-2012, 02:50 PM   #43
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No, their were other times where rough-housing tactics drew him out of that perfect pattern, he started fighting more quickly and aggressively than he wanted to. He wasn't the machine they painted him to be on the television, at all.

Some of the best combinations in colour is what makes him so special, not the generalship. For me, anyway.
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Can't really disagree with this. A great ring general is never going to look entirely like another great ring general or even particularly alike at all, since the skill is dependent upon the type of fight that is being employed. Frazier was a great ring general because he forced you to fight in close where he generally had the advantage, Wlad's a great ring general because he keeps you at a distance, Hopkins is a great ring general because he prevents you from working and constantly gets in your comfort zone, Locche was a great ring general because he made you leap and lunge just to hit him and thereby expend physical and mental energy and so on.

I think your last line more or less sums it up. A great ring general is always the author of his own fight.
like your examples of frazier, wlad and hopkins to. and locche is a nice shout out. all VERY different fighters who fought the fights they wanted to, when they wanted to fight them
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You know what? I think there are question marks over Lopez's temperament that make his being mentioned as one of the greatest General's unreasonable - and sure as shit, his big problem versus Alvarez was his inability to do these things - range, tempo - in difficult circumstances.

I doubt Carlos Monzon would have been as upset by that cut.
absolutely but was that because lopez had trouble imposing his will, because alvarez was his kryptonite or because he was at the end of his career?

monzon was not upset by ANYTHING...possibly the coolest customer in recorded boxing history. but even he had his troubles dictating to valdez and briscoe at times
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