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Old 11-30-2008, 07:49 AM   #16
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In the real match, a prime Charles busted up an old Joe Louis. However Louis in his prime has a lot of zip on his punches. In a prime vs prime match, I think Louis would land one of his Sunday's best and end it.

I agree with you. Charles was a stand and trade type of fighter who used hand speed and countering ability to win. I respect Charles. He was a pound for pound tough son of gun. Charles fought the same stand and trade style vs Marciano.
Charles didn't have the same legs or reflexes against Rocky that he had in his prime. Watch his fight with Lloyd Marshall from his prime and you'll see his amazing boxing ability coming in and out of range while carrying out a great body attack and his jab and hand speed were better as well. Even his fight with Johnson when he is past his best you can see his boxing ability and sure Charles liked to mix it up but he wasn't a stand and trade fighter well as least I wouldn't classify him as one and I've seen a lot of his footage.
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Old 11-30-2008, 07:59 AM   #17
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Charles didn't have the same legs or reflexes against Rocky that he had in his prime. Watch his fight with Lloyd Marshall from his prime and you'll see his amazing boxing ability coming in and out of range while carrying out a great body attack and his jab and hand speed were better as well. Even his fight with Johnson when he is past his best you can see his boxing ability and sure Charles liked to mix it up but he wasn't a stand and trade fighter well as least I wouldn't classify him as one and I've seen a lot of his footage.
Would you classify Charles as a fighter who liked to mix it up, or as a smart boxer type who picked his shots, and waited for the right moment to attack? I pick the former. Charles was aggressive. He liked to slug, go toe to toe, and use his speed and skills to counter.

I did not say Charles could not use his legs, I just feel tactically he perfereed to mix it up.

One could say Charles was the 2nd best fighter Louis ever fought. Marciano was the best.
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Old 11-30-2008, 08:34 AM   #18
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Joe said in his autobiography that there were so many openings available when he fought Charles, but he simply wasn't fast enough to catch him.

Prime versus prime, I'd give it to Louis.
Me too. Hey Hydraulix is that you in the picture? Your butt looks bitching!
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Old 11-30-2008, 11:50 AM   #19
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Would you classify Charles as a fighter who liked to mix it up, or as a smart boxer type who picked his shots, and waited for the right moment to attack? I pick the former. Charles was aggressive. He liked to slug, go toe to toe, and use his speed and skills to counter.

I did not say Charles could not use his legs, I just feel tactically he perfereed to mix it up.

One could say Charles was the 2nd best fighter Louis ever fought. Marciano was the best.


Charles did like to mix it up, he could fight from the outside and inside he had such a great arsenal but he also had good heavyweight power in either hand, speed, good legs and ring smarts. I dont know if Charles, Walcott or Schmeling was the 2nd best opponent Louis fought but Marciano was the best and Louis was at the tail end of his career if the fight was prime to prime the result MAY have been different and it MAY have not but here would have been a load of early fireworks
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Old 11-30-2008, 06:59 PM   #20
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Would you classify Charles as a fighter who liked to mix it up, or as a smart boxer type who picked his shots, and waited for the right moment to attack? I pick the former. Charles was aggressive. He liked to slug, go toe to toe, and use his speed and skills to counter.

I did not say Charles could not use his legs, I just feel tactically he perfereed to mix it up.

One could say Charles was the 2nd best fighter Louis ever fought. Marciano was the best.
He could be both more so the latter just also a great finisher which may have contibuted to a slightly more aggressive style at his best. Charles is a smart fighter I doubt he would trade with Louis especially after he feel Joe's power I think he would chose to box and use his speed whether he'd be able to pull the win is another matter. The reason why I brought up his legs is because you mentioned the Rocky fight where he could not move like he did in his prime.
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Old 11-30-2008, 08:42 PM   #21
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I agree with you. Charles was a stand and trade type of fighter who used hand speed and countering ability to win. I respect Charles. He was a pound for pound tough son of gun. Charles fought the same stand and trade style vs Marciano.
WRONG! Charles in his prime was a slick defensive counterpuncher who boxed on his toes....i dont know what your talking about. Watch film of charles vs Lloyd Marshall or Walcott I and get back to me
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Old 11-24-2012, 09:39 PM   #22
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Charles could give Louis fits, even be leading going into the later rounds, but Joe would catch up to him, and kayo him in the 11th round.
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Old 11-24-2012, 11:45 PM   #23
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I think Louis would have won but at the same time i mean Charles could have won it as well just depends on how they fight on the night all the circumstances
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Old 11-25-2012, 03:21 AM   #24
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Louis would have knocked him out, probably second half of a 15-rounder.
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Old 11-25-2012, 08:06 AM   #25
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Ezzard Charles was an amazing fighter, but prime for prime, I just cannot see him beating Joe Louis.

I'd pick Louis by late KO
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Old 11-25-2012, 08:30 AM   #26
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Louis wins a come from behind stoppage.
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Old 11-26-2012, 07:11 AM   #27
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We all know has this played out in real life, but could Charles have beaten a prime Louis?

Charles would have been a tough opponent for the Louis of 1938 vintage. Nonetheless,Joe would have won. Charles would have been cute enough to avoid a knockout,in my opinion.

Louis by around 10 - 5 or 9 -6 in rounds.
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Old 11-26-2012, 07:13 AM   #28
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Hang on to your hats, but i'd pick Louis to firmly out-box Charles...
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Old 11-26-2012, 07:58 AM   #29
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Hang on to your hats, but i'd pick Louis to firmly out-box Charles...
With or without a KO ?
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Old 11-26-2012, 08:47 AM   #30
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You'd have to imagine a KO in that situation I think.
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