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Old 11-25-2012, 08:47 AM   #16
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Tunney picked Joe Louis - or any good professional boxer - to beat a silverback gorilla.
Gorilla's they look big and bad on the outside, but bring the fight inside to them and they can't take it to the body. Glass ribs
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Old 11-25-2012, 10:05 AM   #17
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does anyone has the links for tunney's articles?
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Old 11-25-2012, 11:27 AM   #18
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Old 11-25-2012, 11:30 AM   #19
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I think powerpuncher is right, I'd go to the body.
I won't be jabbing him in the mouth, that's for sure.
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Old 11-25-2012, 11:38 AM   #20
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Both could outbox him with their jabs and defence, Walcott being the bigger favourite with his movement although Charles the more technically sound.

Dempsey would be looking to pressure and force the fight on the inside, although as counter punchers they could both catch him with KO counter punchers



Tunney also picked Willard to beat Ali
So did janitor
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Old 11-26-2012, 05:50 AM   #21
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One thing I'd just like to drop in on this is everyone is going on about Walcott's footwork and movement but Dempsey was had pretty great footwork too for his type of fighter he was light and bouncey on his feet pretty quick and moved pretty easily and fast for a fighter usually up on his toes and he had quick changes of direction and shifts - in his young prime he was a constant motion fighter feet wise - see Willard fighter first half of first round aswell as Bill Tate sparring footage and also one or two other early examples of his movement from early title days sparring footage - he also tracked the ridiculously fast back pedalling Carp fairly well even though it was obvious he was merely going through the motions early in that one
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Old 11-26-2012, 09:23 PM   #22
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One thing I'd just like to drop in on this is everyone is going on about Walcott's footwork and movement but Dempsey was had pretty great footwork too for his type of fighter he was light and bouncey on his feet pretty quick and moved pretty easily and fast for a fighter usually up on his toes and he had quick changes of direction and shifts - in his young prime he was a constant motion fighter feet wise - see Willard fighter first half of first round aswell as Bill Tate sparring footage and also one or two other early examples of his movement from early title days sparring footage - he also tracked the ridiculously fast back pedalling Carp fairly well even though it was obvious he was merely going through the motions early in that one
I see what you're saying. Walcott's footwork was good as far as I'm concerned, but he wouldn't be used to fighting at such a pace. Dempsey wouldn't give Jersey Joe much time to move and get set, he would be in his chest and on him at all times.
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Old 11-26-2012, 09:26 PM   #23
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I wonder how Jack would take their punches.
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Old 11-26-2012, 09:28 PM   #24
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Old 11-26-2012, 11:48 PM   #25
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I thought both Jersey Joe and Charles had a chance because Dempsey had great trouble with good boxers, first part of the George Carpentier fight, and Jersey Joe and Charles were better boxers punched harder and performed great against hard heavyweight punchers, mainly Joe Louis and Rocky Marciano who had the most comparable power to Jack Dempsey out of the guys they fought.

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Old 11-27-2012, 03:42 AM   #26
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Walcott's footwork gets overrated. I mean, he had some nice turns and shuffles but I don't see great elusive movement consistently.
Ezzard Charles was better in that regard.

Walcott shuffled his way into getting KO'd by an over-the-hill Joe Louis, even if he was robbed in the first fight it was apparently a very close battle. Joe Louis was a bit of a plodder by this stage in his career.
A prime Dempsey was fleet-footed.

I'm not sure what happened to Walcott's alleged superior movement against Rex Layne, or Marciano for that matter. Guys who were more slow-footed and flat-footed than Dempsey.
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Old 11-27-2012, 03:52 AM   #27
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I think Dempsey takes out Charles early. Dempsey is just too relentless, too fast, powerful and, dare I say it, skilled in his style. I think Jack overwhelms Charles early, never get him anywhere, hurts him in the first and puts him away in the second.

Walcott is a more difficult task for Jack. Walcott has the footwork, smartness and power to trouble Dempsey. But I think Jack would set a high tempo, never lwt Wlacott get into any rythm. I think Walcott will be able to counter Jack and put him down but I think Dempsey´s chin will hold up, he´ll survive and start an onslaught Walcott won´t survive.


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Why? Because Charles had better skills, faster hands than anyone Dempsey faced?
I´m not so sure Charles was faster than Gibbons or Carpentier.
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Old 12-19-2012, 04:23 AM   #28
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Walcott's footwork gets overrated. I mean, he had some nice turns and shuffles but I don't see great elusive movement consistently.
Watch the first Marciano fight any time Marciano tries to come in late in the fight Walcott moves away out of range and he can't get in i fell he would be doing alot of that if he fought Demsey, but i still think Dempsey would win his attack and power i think would be too much
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Old 12-19-2012, 10:24 AM   #29
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Dempsey would maul Ezzard Charles. too much pressure, too much power, body attack honestly I think Dempsey would simply overwhelm Charles in the first few rounds i'd say Jack wins by KO in under 6
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Old 12-19-2012, 12:12 PM   #30
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Of the two he has a tougher fight with Walcott. Charles did not have the wheels to keep out of Dempseys way. Wallcotts issue was he made a glaring error which Louis waited for and capitalized upon in fight 2. With his footwork he would at times stand with hands down feet together slipping punches with head and upper body movement. If you watch round 11 vs Louis he does just that, Louis steadies Walcott with his left and crashes a right on his chin staggering him. Seconds later Walcott was counted out. I see Walcott starting well until being caught by a similar blow which knocks him out.
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