Lionel rose overrated

CapsLock · 11-27-2012, 04:44 PM

i honestly do not know what all the hype about rose is. his record stands at 42-11. yes he won a and defended it but so what?

do we get excited about rose coz he was the first to do it?

sorry, someone fill me in

swingin · 11-27-2012, 04:47 PM

he beat up a fancy jap after the 2nd world war. the diggers loved him for it, as did the whole of australia that went through the war and hated the japs for their atrocities.

thats just part of the story...

The Spider · 11-27-2012, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by CapsLock

i honestly do not know what all the hype about rose is. his record stands at 42-11. yes he won a and defended it but so what?

do we get excited about rose coz he was the first to do it?

sorry, someone fill me in

There's enough info available to keep you busy reading through your Christmas holidays if you are genuinely interested in Lionel Rose's career. If you are looking to judge his career purely on numbers, he was 33-2 and held both the WBA & WBC world titles at one point.

LeBeave · 11-27-2012, 05:12 PM

Slightly overrated but you need to look at the bigger picture around the time he fought.

He is a well deserved Aussie legend no doubt.

Purely on boxing ability he was just short of exceptional. Too many loses on his record also takes the gloss off his achievements

CapsLock · 11-27-2012, 05:16 PM

theres no doubt at all that as an aboriginal australian it was huge he went over to japan and beat fighting harada just after the war...allthe elements make it an incredible achievemenet in australian sport and an important part of history for this country...

but lot has fuck all to do with what i am talking about.

im wondering why so many get all this mixed up with boxing ability and then put rose on the greatest aussie boxers of all time lists.

im talking about boxing only....he was overrated.

swingin · 11-27-2012, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by CapsLock

theres no doubt at all that as an aboriginal australian it was huge he went over to japan and beat fighting harada just after the war...allthe elements make it an incredible achievemenet in australian sport and an important part of history for this country...

but lot has fuck all to do with what i am talking about.

im wondering why so many get all this mixed up with boxing ability and then put rose on the greatest aussie boxers of all time lists.

im talking about boxing only....he was overrated.

hillary was overrated..plenty have climbed everest scince...

left jab danny · 11-27-2012, 07:34 PM

I don't think he was over rated but he did have a short prime probably because he really struggled with weight and other problems outside the ring.
But The fact is he was a duel WBA WBC champion who went overseas and took the belt off the champ in his backyard.
It was a huge feat for us at the time and if you have any doubt about how big a deal it was you only have to look at the parade they had in Melbourne for Lionel where more than 250 thousand ppl turned up to cheer him.

If you want to see Rose in his prime watch his fight against Rocky Gattellari where he went up to Sydney and gave Rocky the biggest boxing lesson you'll see.

LeBeave · 11-27-2012, 08:35 PM

Calling Rose overrated on an Aussie forum is almost sacrilege..... however LJD has a point his prime was very brief but extremely effective.

His overall career might be a tad overrated is probably where the OP is going with it.

CapsLock · 11-27-2012, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by LeBeave

Calling Rose overrated on an Aussie forum is almost sacrilege..... however LJD has a point his prime was very brief but extremely effective.

His overall career might be a tad overrated is probably where the OP is going with it.

yeah and i understand this...its almost a blasphemous post.

but it stands true. rose was overrated

cstar · 11-27-2012, 08:41 PM

It was a different era and he won legitimate world titles when they REALLY FUCKING MEANT SOMETHING. Compare that to some faggot like Mundine who even in this era of 4 recognised bodies can only win interim titles or ibo shit. So to be a Mundine fan and say that Lionel Rose was overrated is like saying filet mignon is overrated while you sit eating dog food from a can with a spoon.

CapsLock · 11-27-2012, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by cstar

It was a different era and he won legitimate world titles when they REALLY FUCKING MEANT SOMETHING. Compare that to some faggot like Mundine who even in this era of 4 recognised bodies can only win interim titles or ibo shit. So to be a Mundine fan and say that Lionel Rose was overrated is like saying filet mignon is overrated while you sit eating dog food from a can with a spoon.

whose a mundine fan?

mundines a bum who has never won a world title.

cstar · 11-27-2012, 08:48 PM

My mistake. Pls don't sue.

cstar · 11-27-2012, 08:49 PM

Btw what happened to the mayweather tszyu thread did it get out of hand?

aussie opinion · 11-27-2012, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by CapsLock

i honestly do not know what all the hype about rose is. his record stands at 42-11. yes he won a and defended it but so what?

do we get excited about rose coz he was the first to do it?

sorry, someone fill me in

he was one of the fighters to help shape oz boxing, and give it hope when u think of the greats of of aussie boxing rose is right up there

swingin · 11-27-2012, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by cstar

It was a different era and he won legitimate world titles when they REALLY FUCKING MEANT SOMETHING. Compare that to some faggot like Mundine who even in this era of 4 recognised bodies can only win interim titles or ibo shit. So to be a Mundine fan and say that Lionel Rose was overrated is like saying filet mignon is overrated while you sit eating dog food from a can with a spoon.

exactly. lionel fought in an era of one title holder. and no super this or junior that. just one title. he was lucky to even get a shot! so many great fighters never even got a shot!

11-27-2012, 04:44 PM	#1
CapsLock Gatekeeper ESB Full Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 486 vCash: 500	Lionel rose overrated i honestly do not know what all the hype about rose is. his record stands at 42-11. yes he won a and defended it but so what? do we get excited about rose coz he was the first to do it? sorry, someone fill me in
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11-27-2012, 04:47 PM	#2
swingin Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 2,731 vCash: 500	Re: Lionel rose overrated he beat up a fancy jap after the 2nd world war. the diggers loved him for it, as did the whole of australia that went through the war and hated the japs for their atrocities. thats just part of the story...
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LeBeave Gatekeeper ESB Full Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 459 vCash: 500	Re: Lionel rose overrated Slightly overrated but you need to look at the bigger picture around the time he fought. He is a well deserved Aussie legend no doubt. Purely on boxing ability he was just short of exceptional. Too many loses on his record also takes the gloss off his achievements
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11-27-2012, 05:16 PM	#5
CapsLock Gatekeeper ESB Full Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 486 vCash: 500	Re: Lionel rose overrated theres no doubt at all that as an aboriginal australian it was huge he went over to japan and beat fighting harada just after the war...allthe elements make it an incredible achievemenet in australian sport and an important part of history for this country... but lot has fuck all to do with what i am talking about. im wondering why so many get all this mixed up with boxing ability and then put rose on the greatest aussie boxers of all time lists. im talking about boxing only....he was overrated.
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11-27-2012, 07:34 PM	#7
left jab danny Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Melbourne Posts: 1,274 vCash: 13001	Re: Lionel rose overrated I don't think he was over rated but he did have a short prime probably because he really struggled with weight and other problems outside the ring. But The fact is he was a duel WBA WBC champion who went overseas and took the belt off the champ in his backyard. It was a huge feat for us at the time and if you have any doubt about how big a deal it was you only have to look at the parade they had in Melbourne for Lionel where more than 250 thousand ppl turned up to cheer him. If you want to see Rose in his prime watch his fight against Rocky Gattellari where he went up to Sydney and gave Rocky the biggest boxing lesson you'll see. Last edited by left jab danny; 11-27-2012 at 07:41 PM. Reason: xx
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11-27-2012, 08:35 PM	#8
LeBeave Gatekeeper ESB Full Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 459 vCash: 500	Re: Lionel rose overrated Calling Rose overrated on an Aussie forum is almost sacrilege..... however LJD has a point his prime was very brief but extremely effective. His overall career might be a tad overrated is probably where the OP is going with it.
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11-27-2012, 08:41 PM	#10
cstar Journeyman ESB Jr Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 116 vCash: 500	Re: Lionel rose overrated It was a different era and he won legitimate world titles when they REALLY FUCKING MEANT SOMETHING. Compare that to some faggot like Mundine who even in this era of 4 recognised bodies can only win interim titles or ibo shit. So to be a Mundine fan and say that Lionel Rose was overrated is like saying filet mignon is overrated while you sit eating dog food from a can with a spoon.
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11-27-2012, 08:48 PM	#12
cstar Journeyman ESB Jr Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 116 vCash: 500	Re: Lionel rose overrated My mistake. Pls don't sue.
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11-27-2012, 08:49 PM	#13
cstar Journeyman ESB Jr Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 116 vCash: 500	Re: Lionel rose overrated Btw what happened to the mayweather tszyu thread did it get out of hand?
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