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Old 11-28-2012, 12:14 PM   #1
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Default Hall of Famers vs Top 10 Contenders

This is thread in which I, and possibly Hands of Iron, list how various fighters did against to 10 opposition. A couple of caveats: this list is compiled second hand so errors are probable. Two, this list is quantitative not qualitative: a guy may have done more beating 13 top ranked guys than another did beating 30. Lastly several current fighters and old timers are excluded because I don't have complete access or they predate the concept.

I was just going to go in alphabetical order but that seems boring, so I'll break it into chunks. I'm just going to list the raw record, with perhaps some notes. If you want a breakdown of who was beaten, to get some faces to the numbers or to correct a mistake, just say so. Requests are welcome.
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Old 11-28-2012, 12:17 PM   #2
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I might have quite a lot of these already, specifically from the modern era and some past ones also.

I only looked at prime losses though.
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Old 11-28-2012, 12:22 PM   #3
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And probably KOKid and hhascup if they see it.
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Old 11-28-2012, 12:27 PM   #4
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The Great Heavyweights
Muhammad Ali 36-5
Joe Louis 34-3
Larry Holmes 19-5
Lennox Lewis 17-2-1
Mike Tyson 13-5
Rocky Marciano 11-0
Joe Frazier 10-4
Sonny Liston 8-4
George Foreman 7-5

The Ali and Louis records are different from the first edition. I'll check them out later.

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And probably KOKid and hhascup if they see it.
Any input is welcome.
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Murderers Row

Archie Moore 45-16-4
Ezzard Charles 41-17-1
Jimmy Bivins 31-22-1
Holman Williams 28-20-5
Charley Burley 18-11-2
Lloyd Marshall 17-18
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Old 11-28-2012, 02:00 PM   #7
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I saw what you guys were listing on the Oscar de la Hoya thread and found a couple of other threads where things like this were mentioned, including one very good one on boxrec. Curiously enough, I didn't see the stats on De la Hoya in the Hoya thread.


Boxers' records versus top ten competition
Joe Louis (incl. 2 light-heavyweight champs): 30-3
Muhammad Ali (incl. Light-Heavyweight Champion): 31-6

Ali: 32-5
Louis: 30-3
Holmes: 20-5
Lewis: 15-2-1
Tyson: 13-4
Holyfield: 11-7-2 (HW only)
Marciano: 11-0
Joe Frazier 10-4 (9-4 if you don't count Foster)
Sonny Liston 8-4

Ray Robinson 44-13-1
Ezzard Charles 40-17-1
Henry Armstrong 33-12-2
Emile Griffith 36-17-1
Ike Williams 33-15-1
Archie Moore 44-15-4
Roberto Duran: 19-11
Mayweather 18-0
Willie Pep 27-8
Jose Napoles 23-4

1. Ray Robinson 45
2. Archie Moore 43
3. Ezzard Charles 40
4. Emile Griffith 36
5. Manuel Ortiz 34
6. Henry Armstrong 33
6. Muhammad Ali 33
8. Ike Williams 31
8. Joe Louis 31
10. Willie Pep 27
11. Jimmy Bivins 25
12. Harold Johnson 24
12. Jake LaMotta 24
14. Jose Napoles 23
15. Joey Maxim 22
16. Kid Gavilan 21
16. Carlos Ortiz 21
18. Joe Brown 19
18. Charley Burley 19
18. Joey Giardello 19

Beau Jack 18
Sandy Saddler 18
Flash Elorde 17
Ray Leonard 17
Benny Bass 17
Jack Kid Berg 16
Barney Ross 16
Bobo Olson 16
Luis Rodriguez 16
Dick Tiger 16
Sammy Angott 16
Alexis Arguello 15
Carlos Monzon 15
Chalky Wright 15
Julio Cesar Chavez 15
Jimmy McLarnin 13
Fritzie Zivic 12
Billy Graham 6
Barry McGuigan 4
Daniel Zarazoga 4
Khaosai Galaxy 3

By the way, I see that Mayweather is up to 18-0, but has anybody run the numbers on Pacquiao? I'd also like to see the results for other recent greats such as Hopkins, Marquez, Mosley, and Whitaker. Or the real old timers like Greb, Gans, Sullivan, Walcott, Nonpareil Dempsey, and Bob Fitzsimmons. Benny Leonard, Tony Canzoneri, Marvin Hagler, Salvador Sanchez, Eder Jofre, Mickey Walker, Ruben Olivares, Langford, Wills, Dempsey, and Carmen Basilio all need doing too. Thanks.

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Old 11-28-2012, 03:35 PM   #8
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Who are the others for Ray Leonard? Muniz?

1978: Floyd Mayweather Sr. (No. 6 WW)
-- Leonard enters the Top 10 at No. 8 after this fight
1978: Randy Shields (No. 4 WW)
1979: Johnny Gant (No. 4 WW)
1979: Adolfo Viruet (No. 8 JWW) (@147)
1979: Tony Chiaverini (No. 4 LMW) (@154)
1979: Pete Ranzany (No. 5 WW)
1979: Andy Price (No. 8 WW)
1979: Wilfred Benitez (World WW Champion)
-- Wins Welterweight title
1980: Dave "Boy" Green (No. 7 WW)
-- Defends Welterweight title
1980: Roberto Duran (No. 2 WW) - LOSS
-- Loses Welterweight title
1980: Roberto Duran (WW Champion)
-- Wins Welterweight title
1981: Larry Bonds (No. 15 WW) (The Ring did Top 15 back then)
-- Defends Welterweight title
1981: Ayub Kalule (World LMW Champion)
-- Wins Light Middleweight title
1981: Thomas Hearns (No. 1 WW; Titlist)
-- Defends Welterweight title
1982: Bruce Finch (No. 6 WW)
-- Defends Welterweight title
-- Fight scheduled for May 1982 with No. 2 WW Roger Stafford. Retirement.
1984: Kevin Howard (No. 16 WW)
1987: Marvin Hagler (World MW Champion)
-- Wins Middleweight title
1988: Donnie LaLonde (No. 4 LHW) (@168 )
1989: Thomas Hearns (No. 5 MW) - DRAW
1989: Roberto Duran (No. 2 MW)
1991: Terry Norris (No. 1 JMW) - LOSS
1997: Hector Camacho (No. 7) LOSS
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Old 11-28-2012, 03:43 PM   #9
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I might have quite a lot of these already, specifically from the modern era and some past ones also.

I only looked at prime losses though.
I like your style, M8te.

ROBERTO DURAN's TOP 10 RATED OPPONENTS

1970: Ernesto Marcel (Future World FW Champion)
1971: Hiroshi Kobayashi (No. 2 SFW) (@135)
1972: Ken Buchanan (World LW Champ)
-- Wins Lightweight title
1972: Esteban DeJesus (No. 1 LW) (@140) - LOSS
1973: Hector Thompson (No. 6 LWW) (@135)
-- Defends Lightweight title
1974: Esteban DeJesus (No. 1 LW)
-- Defends Lightweight title
1975: Ray Lampkin (No. 1 LW)
-- Defends Lightweight title
1976: Saoul Mamby (No. 10 JWW)
1976: Lou Bizzarro (No. 5 LWW) (@135)
-- Defends Lightweight title
1977: Vilomar Fernandez (No. 4 LW)
-- Defends Lightweight title
1977: Edwin Viruet (No. 2 LW)
-- Defends Lightweight title
1978: Esteban DeJesus (No. 1 LW)
-- Defends Lightweight title
1979: Carlos Palomino (No. 6 WW)
1979: Joseph Nsabuga (No. 9 WW)
1980: Ray Leonard (World Welterweight Champion)
-- Wins Welterweight title
1980: Ray Leonard (No. 2 WW) - LOSS
-- Loses Welterweight title
1981: Nino Gonzalez (No. 9 LMW)
1983: Pepino Cuevas (No. 5 WW) (@154)
1983: Davey Moore (No. 2 LMW)
1989: Iran Barkley (No. 2 MW)
1997: Juan Castro (No. 6 SMW)

Common sense says Guts is a notable opponent as well (not listed).
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Old 11-28-2012, 03:50 PM   #10
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We respecfully request the numbers for Joltin' Jeff Chandler...

Also Azumah Nelson would be nice...thanks either way
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Here you go

Jeff Chandler 8-2-1
Azumah Nelson 15-5-2
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Ushvinder wants Sweet Pea.
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Hhascup is the king of this btw.

It's literally his thing. He probably has the biggest database of ranked records in boxing history.

He has access to all the monthlys which puts him head and shoulders above almost everyone else.

He's like a boxing savant for records. If he ever posts here again beg for his input
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Ushvinder wants Sweet Pea.
Pernell Whitaker 19-3-1
Of course some might dispute that...

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Hhascup is the king of this btw.

It's literally his thing. He probably has the biggest database of ranked records in boxing history.

He has access to all the monthlys which puts him head and shoulders above almost everyone else.

He's like a boxing savant for records. If he ever posts here again beg for his input
Go get him! I would love nothing more than a database like thing so that all our questions could be answered.
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There is another, Luf.
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