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Old 11-29-2012, 03:32 AM   #61
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Floyd's career north of 135 is full of cherrypicks.

And NO, Hatton was not at his absolute best at 147!
C'mon the jump in weight didn't have that much of an impact. He was still in his physical prime and was only a year removed from dominating Urango(at 140) and had already beaten a very tricky career WW(Collazo). The version of Hatton that Mayweather fought was the same guy that fought Tszyu...except Tszyu was clearly faded and the fight was a weight class down.
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Old 11-29-2012, 03:33 AM   #62
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Let's cut the crap

Emmanuel Steward is on record as saying tyson was scared, intimidated by Lewis from the early days.

Tyson stood head to chest with Lewis and realised he couldn't beat this big guy who made him feel like a dwarf
He's credited with saying a lot of things, but proof of these quotes are never produced. Tyson never ducked anyone, especially out of fear. He ALWAYS fought guys bigger than him ... he took on Razor Ruddock when he was being ducked by everyone and beat him twice. Lewis would've had his clock cleaned if he ever fought the Ruddock that Tyson did.

And when they did fight, Steward was freaking the **** out even when Lewis was winning. And WTF does Steward know? Why is he referenced like some know it all? How would he even know Tyson was scared when he never even worked with him ... can he read Tyson's mind and feelings from afar? It was his opinion and people take it for fact.

Lewis is also on record exclaiming that he didn't want to fight Tyson after he sparred with him, because he was like "an animal." Its clear that Lewis knew he was going to get his chin blasted out of the ring if he ever stepped in with Tyson in the 80s when he was at the top of his game.

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Old 11-29-2012, 03:36 AM   #63
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Bullshit!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lennox Lewis is the best HW champ since Ali. He ducked no one. Riddick Bowe , Tyson & Holyfield ducked Lennox in fact Bowe was scared shitless of Lennox
yep... holyfield ducked lewis.. you herd it here first guys...

the guy who for the past 20 years has one of IF NOT THE BEST resume in my eyes decided just once he would try this "ducking"

you are pathetic.
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Old 11-29-2012, 03:38 AM   #64
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yep... holyfield ducked lewis.. you herd it here first guys...

the guy who for the past 20 years has one of IF NOT THE BEST resume in my eyes decided just once he would try this "ducking"

you are pathetic.
Glass jawed Lewis did duck Ruiz and Byrd

Lewis would've gotten mauled by prime Tyson and Holyfield at his best would've beaten decisvely too
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Old 11-29-2012, 03:59 AM   #65
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The only one who ducked Lennox was Bowe, although not even that is as black and white as it's made out to be.

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Old 11-29-2012, 04:04 AM   #66
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Holy should've fought Ruddock in 1991 though, yeah. Why Tyson had to beat the shit out of this guy twice (and ruin his career in the process) to get a shot at the titles he unified was totally ****in preposterous. And his own promoter once again, was happy to **** him over. On an Ego trip.
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Old 11-29-2012, 04:09 AM   #67
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Glass jawed Lewis did duck Ruiz and Byrd

Lewis would've gotten mauled by prime Tyson and Holyfield at his best would've beaten decisvely too
Nope.

I love it with you yanks

You hate the klitschkos even more than Lewis, so you are always going on about "TKO6" and "Lewis a g"

but when it comes to him vs one of your guys, you viciously turn on him, and suddenly Lewis becomes a glass jawed bum who Tyson would brutally murder

you are a bunch of jokes
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Old 11-29-2012, 04:14 AM   #68
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Nope.

I love it with you yanks

You hate the klitschkos even more than Lewis, so you are always going on about "TKO6" and "Lewis a g"

but when it comes to him vs one of your guys, you viciously turn on him, and suddenly Lewis becomes a glass jawed bum who Tyson would brutally murder

you are a bunch of jokes
Emmanuel Steward claiming Tyson was "afraid" of Lewis is your argument.

Very compelling.

Its not hard to decipher ... Both Klits are inferior to Lewis who is inferior to Tyson ... understand the hierarchy.
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Old 11-29-2012, 04:17 AM   #69
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Nope.

I love it with you yanks

You hate the klitschkos even more than Lewis, so you are always going on about "TKO6" and "Lewis a g"

but when it comes to him vs one of your guys, you viciously turn on him, and suddenly Lewis becomes a glass jawed bum who Tyson would brutally murder

you are a bunch of jokes
Negative.

I rate Lewis quite highly, but let's not muck the waters with horseshit.

Ruiz was a joke ass DKP fighter, Lewis shouldn't of ever been stripped. Everybody wanted him to fight Grant at the time.
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Old 11-29-2012, 04:18 AM   #70
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Holy should've fought Ruddock in 1991 though, yeah. Why Tyson had to beat the shit out of this guy twice (and ruin his career in the process) to get a shot at the titles he unified was totally ****in preposterous. And his own promoter once again, was happy to **** him over. On an Ego trip.
Both Tyson or Ruddock would've beaten Holy IMO

Both got screwed over ... Ruddock never got a title shot until the guy was completely done and shot ... and this delayed Tyson's chance at a title bout and he ultimately ended up in prison.
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Old 11-29-2012, 04:25 AM   #71
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Ask Lennox why he waited 3 years to rematch Oliver McCall.
Ask Lennox why he fought Tyson ten years after his prime.
Ask Lennox why he couldn't dominate an aging Holyfield.

There are actual newspaper articles that say the same stuff about Lewis.
I'm not making it up. It's true.

Lewis ducked,and beat up old drug addicts and past prime fighters.
He was a vulture.
Prime Lewis would give any heavyweight in any era trouble.

He would clean up the current heavyweight division in one night, deal with it
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Old 11-29-2012, 04:29 AM   #72
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Holy should've fought Ruddock in 1991 though, yeah. .
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Old 11-29-2012, 04:32 AM   #73
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That was after Mike broke his jaw and ribs

He was done after the sustained beating he took from Tyson and was never the same ... ended his career unfortunately

Would've been much different if Lewis fought him in 1991 instead of Tyson
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That was after Mike broke his jaw and ribs

He was done after the sustained beating he took from Tyson and was never the same ... ended his career unfortunately

Would've been much different if Lewis fought him in 1991 instead of Tyson
Always an excuse with you isn't it.
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Old 11-29-2012, 04:42 AM   #75
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? Being a good cherry picker is an asset imo

Team Floyd is what I call a good cherry picker, somewhere along the lines of SRL (the goat of cherry picking, too bad he revealed it).

Team Pac is what I call horrible cherry picking.


A person who is adept at cherry picking can detect when an opponent is ripe for the picking and few people know it, let alone the general public. The good win will mask the fact that the fighter has a glaring flaw, diminished in performance, or simply has been found to have a good stylistic matchup.

A bad cherrypicker will blatantly select an opponent that has a much more tangible certainty of losing (ie a recent loss, essentially shit you can see on record- weights, etc), and is consequently more easily detectable by the public.

Think of the difference between the two like a fighter selecting his opponent vs a manager (who has no fight experience) selecting an opponent for his fighter. The fighter knows his own body more than anyone else
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