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View Poll Results: Who's been Pacquiao's most Prime opponent?
Timothy Bradley 49 29.70%
Juan Manuel Marquez (Fight 3) 4 2.42%
Antonio Margarito 3 1.82%
Miguel Cotto 12 7.27%
Ricky Hatton 1 0.61%
Marco Antonio Barrera 28 16.97%
Erik Morales (Fight 1) 21 12.73%
Juan Manuel Marquez (Fights 1 & 2) 47 28.48%
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Old 12-01-2012, 08:45 AM   #91
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So how do you judge he was past prime after the Pacquiao fight and not after the Margarito or Clottey fights?
How would YOU judge when a fighter is past the prime? Losing? Draining?
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Old 12-01-2012, 08:48 AM   #92
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Old 12-01-2012, 08:51 AM   #93
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So how do you judge he was past prime after the Pacquiao fight and not after the Margarito or Clottey fights?
Some guys would say when a fighter is not the same, he's past the prime.
I saw the Cotto-Pac fight and Cotto's skills were still exhibited there.

There's a little hint I got after the Pac fight though, it's the retirement talk/plan about Cotto. What does that imply then?
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Old 12-01-2012, 09:20 AM   #94
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barrera, cotto, marquez and bradley. no wrong answer among these four.
Agreed
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Old 12-01-2012, 10:04 AM   #95
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and ironically being more offensive/aggressive was his downfall in the pac fight. he was doing much better when he was boxing intelligently in round 1.
I agree in here. Some guys would say Cotto's not the same fighter because of his lesser aggression but the tactical Cotto was better than the aggressive one. It will favor Pac more when Cotto goes more aggressive.

He improvised his skills (the Margarito symptoms may have caused this though). Cotto's boxing gameplan would have been effective against Pac should he have used it the whole fight. He could have won.

The classic Cotto (which was appealing and was what obviously the fans were looking for) wouldn't work against Pac as how I see it.
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Old 12-01-2012, 10:36 AM   #96
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Only dealing with quality world-class opponents he's fought, it'd be Sasakul, Ledwaba, Bradley, Marquez in fights 1 and 2, Barrera in the first fight, and Clottey.

What leaves me with a bad taste regarding Pacquiao is that he was never able to clearly or emphatically distinguish himself from the best opponent he fought.
lol what about Barrera
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Old 12-01-2012, 10:52 AM   #97
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Some guys would say when a fighter is not the same, he's past the prime.
I saw the Cotto-Pac fight and Cotto's skills were still exhibited there.

There's a little hint I got after the Pac fight though, it's the retirement talk/plan about Cotto. What does that imply then?
His skill levels were still there in his last fight too, which is why I questioned how someone could say his prime ended after the Pacquiao loss.

A fighters prime is too subjective to set guidelines and most careers have up and down performances and good and bad patches.
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Old 12-01-2012, 11:04 AM   #98
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His skill levels were still there in his last fight too, which is why I questioned how someone could say his prime ended after the Pacquiao loss.

A fighters prime is too subjective to set guidelines and most careers have up and down performances and good and bad patches.
Exactly, I have no objections to that.
The issues about 'Prime' is truly subjective.
It's just in a matter of opinion, though we have our own standards of gauging it.
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Marquez & Barrera
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So his prime conveniently ended after he lost to Pacquiao?
what's more laughable is some certain set of fan group claiming that cotto was shot/damaged goods after margo when some of them even picked cotto to win over pac and recently had to abandon their shot cotto theory when their boy is fighting cotto around 3 years and a few more wars later.

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classic cotto? lol have you even watched cotto


this is classic cotto

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yeah the same cotto without the ****ines. and if you notice, cotto tends to be more defensive depends on the level of his opponents. his impetousness leads to his defeat against margo same case with pac.
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Old 12-01-2012, 08:12 PM   #101
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what's more laughable is some certain set of fan group claiming that cotto was shot/damaged goods after margo when some of them even picked cotto to win over pac and recently had to abandon their shot cotto theory when their boy is fighting cotto around 3 years and a few more wars later.



yeah the same cotto without the ****ines. and if you notice, cotto tends to be more defensive depends on the level of his opponents. his impetousness leads to his defeat against margo same case with pac.
No his lack of stamina was to blame for his fight with Margarito. With may weather IMO was his lack of aggression. Whith pacquiao he lost because pacquiao had the style and skills to be beat him. Don't get me wrong even if cotto was in his prime I think PAC would still win. But cotto was not the same fighter he was before Margarito. If he was more defensive against better competition why was he less aggressive against Jennings. He was completely different. With Mosley he wasn't as defensive as he was with jennings.
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Old 12-01-2012, 09:01 PM   #102
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There are more than one option to answer on this list but I choosed the first option.
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Old 12-03-2012, 02:51 AM   #103
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man you're a ****ing clown. No way Cotto was as in his prime as undefeated Bradley or Marquez in the first 2 fights.
Right! Cotto was prime against Floyd only!
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Old 12-03-2012, 02:58 AM   #104
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Barrera I
JMM I & II
Bradley

Clear top choices...
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Old 12-03-2012, 02:59 AM   #105
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barrera, cotto, marquez and bradley. no wrong answer among these four.
Cotto?!?! Hell no.

Spot on with the other three, though...
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