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Old 12-01-2012, 03:05 PM   #31
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JG! So you can't just leave all of us hanggin' like that. We know you have an insiders' perspective when it comes to this sport....even moreso when it comes to the Wild Card Gym and all the different people who frequent that gym. Can you drop any dimes....give your fellow ESB brethren some more details about what you mean?
It wasn't meant ta dangle bait, KU99. Was taken ill in '09 'n wasn't able ta get ta Wild Card regularly 'n had to depend on scuttlebutt
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Old 12-01-2012, 03:17 PM   #32
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The first guys that come to mind are Michael Konze 'n Michael Moorer, E
The way it was always explained to me is that Koncz is basically Bob Arum's guy inside Pacquiao's inner circle and as far as I'm aware Moorer just didn't work personality-wise with Roach (which makes sense consisering Moorer always comes across a bit awkward and standoffish in interviews).
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Old 12-01-2012, 03:35 PM   #33
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The way it was always explained to me is that Koncz is basically Bob Arum's guy inside Pacquiao's inner circle and as far as I'm aware Moorer just didn't work personality-wise with Roach (which makes sense consisering Moorer always comes across a bit awkward and standoffish in interviews).
That has to be the polite way of saying Moorer's a scary scary guy, with a very short fuse.
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Old 12-01-2012, 03:47 PM   #34
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That has to be the polite way of saying Moorer's a scary scary guy, with a very short fuse.
He very well might be but I meant more that I just feel like he looks like he doesn't want to be there when he's talking on tv like he would just rather be anywhere else.
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Old 12-01-2012, 05:27 PM   #35
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One at most?
erm Graham and Mayweather Snr equals two mate.
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Old 12-01-2012, 06:51 PM   #36
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I haven't seen those guys improve their boxing skills under Roach. I've seen them able to fight at a higher intensity for longer. So I give more credit to their S+C team than Roach there.
Pacquiaos boxing ability has improved dramatically...if you cant see that then you really dont know what youre watching. As for maybe its down to Ariza, maybe, but Pac was an ATG and p4p top 3 BEFORE Ariza. He also had everything, speed, explosiveness, power, stamina before Ariza. If anything Ariza helped him with the jump from LW to WW but Pac's body of work is 122-130.
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Old 12-01-2012, 08:19 PM   #37
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Pacquiao hasn't, as far as I am aware Kid Chocolate hasn't, Vanes hasn't, JCC Jr hasn't.
I don't remember enough fighters complaining about Roach and leaving him. If people are referring to Amir Khan, he complains about anything he could find when he loses. His first loss he replaced a newly hired trainer and totally blamed him, now Roach and soon his new trainer once he loses again.
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That has to be the polite way of saying Moorer's a scary scary guy, with a very short fuse.
Moorer is a nut! He loves guns too, would not be surprised to hear of him doing something crazy someday.
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