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Old 12-03-2012, 04:18 PM   #196
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Michael Grant was an inexperienced kid who was never good and still isn't. Beating him means nothing. Lewis best win is David Tua who is known as a historical underachiever.

Lewis was a cherry picker.

He hid in England until all the best HW fighters were past their primes, and that’s undeniable.
In England, he got knocked out by his only live opponent (Oliver McCall), exposing a fragile decanter chin.
In America, he fought good names but not good fighters.
First, a 35 year-old overweight cocaine addict named Tony Tucker. Tucker h was only a shadow of his former self at this point (14 pounds heavier than he weighed when he fought Tyson in 1987)


Holyfield was considered past prime in 1996 before Tyson 1.

BOXING; Despite Lack of Seasoning, Lewis Retains W.B.C. Title


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Published: September 27, 1998

"After Vaughn Bean lasted 12 rounds against Evander Holyfield in their heavyweight championship fight last week, Lennox Lewis complained that Holyfield looked like a has-been."


So Holyfield was a has been but Lewis fights him anyway a year later. HA!
Yeah its easy to say that after grant loses. He still beat tua and klitschko, he whoops golota right after golota destroyed bowe twice, who are better than anyone larry holmes or tyson beat. If lewis is a cherry picking heavyweight, who isnt one, answer that troll.

You want to downplay his wins over tua and vitali, or all the guys he beat in the 90s like akinwande, bruno, etc. Then tell me, who are you accusing him of dodging, the great john ruiz, chris byrd? Yeah you would give him so much credit for beating those guys, lol epic troll.
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Old 12-03-2012, 04:21 PM   #197
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LENNOX LEWIS VS. TOP 10 CONTENDERS

1992: Razor Ruddock - No. 3
1993: Tony Tucker - No. 5
1993: Frank Bruno - No. 8
1994: Phil Jackson - No. 9
1994: Oliver McCall - No. 4 - LOSS
1995: Lionel Butler - No. 10
1995: Tommy Morrison - No. 10
1997: Henry Akinwande - No. 6
1997: Andrew Golota - No. 4
1998: Shannon Briggs - No. 7
1999: Evander Holyfield - No. 1 - Robbery
1999: Evander Holyfield - No. 2
2000: Michael Grant - No. 3
2000: David Tua - No. 2
2001: Hasim Rahman - No. 8 - LOSS
2001: Hasim Rahman - CHAMPION
2002: Mike Tyson - No. 2
2003: Vitali Klitschko - No. 10

Overall record vs. Top 10 Contenders/Champions: 16-2
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Old 12-03-2012, 04:22 PM   #198
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This is just my opinions, but they are amongst the greatest on ESB

Hopkins, picked and called out smaller fighters time and again

Ward, didnt test himself against a top undefeated fighter and seems to like to have it all his own way ie home fighter, weight to suit

Jones, Didnt face the top man of the divisions he fought in until late in his career

Hatton, never fought Witter, Judah, Corley only fought Floyd after he looked beatable against De La Hoya and went after Pac as he looked the smaller and weaker man coming up from LW and then fought Oscar at WW
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No one be tricked by the devious cherry picker Lummox Lewis. He cherry picked nearly all his fights.
The Lummox cant punch his way through a wet paper bag.


BOXING;Bronchitis Stops Tyson: Seldon Fight Is Off

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..."Lewis turned down a $13.5 million guarantee to fight Tyson. Lewis then accepted $4 million from King to step aside and allow Tyson to fight Seldon..."
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Old 12-03-2012, 04:24 PM   #200
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Old 12-03-2012, 04:28 PM   #201
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LENNOX LEWIS VS. TOP 10 CONTENDERS

1992: Razor Ruddock - No. 3
1993: Tony Tucker - No. 5
1993: Frank Bruno - No. 8
1994: Phil Jackson - No. 9
1994: Oliver McCall - No. 4 - LOSS
1995: Lionel Butler - No. 10
1995: Tommy Morrison - No. 10
1997: Henry Akinwande - No. 6
1997: Andrew Golota - No. 4
1998: Shannon Briggs - No. 7
1999: Evander Holyfield - No. 1 - Robbery
1999: Evander Holyfield - No. 2
2000: Michael Grant - No. 3
2000: David Tua - No. 2
2001: Hasim Rahman - No. 8 - LOSS
2001: Hasim Rahman - CHAMPION
2002: Mike Tyson - No. 2
2003: Vitali Klitschko - No. 10

Overall record vs. Top 10 Contenders/Champions: 16-2
MIKE TYSON VS. TOP 10 CONTENDERS

1986: Trevor Berbick - No. 1 (Michael Spinks Champion)
1987: James Smith - No. 2 (Tyson No. 1)
1987: Pinklon Thomas - No. 2 (Tyson No. 1)
1987: Tony Tucker - No. 3 (Tyson No. 1)
1987: Tyrell Biggs - No. 6 (Tyson No. 1)
1988: Michael Spinks - CHAMPION
1989: Carl Williams - No. 2
1990: James Douglas - No. 7 - LOSS
1990: Alex Stewart - No. 10
1991: Razor Ruddock - No. 2 (Tyson No. 1)
1991: Razor Ruddock - No. 2 (Tyson No. 1)
1996: Frank Bruno - No. 7
1996: Bruce Seldon - No. 8
1996: Evander Holyfield - No. 5 - LOSS
1997: Evander Holyfield - No. 1 - LOSS
2000: Andrew Golota - No. 9
2002: Lennox Lewis - CHAMPION - LOSS

Overall record vs. Top 10 Contenders/Champions: 13-4
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Old 12-03-2012, 04:37 PM   #202
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Most wins vs Top 10 Heavyweights:

1) Muhammad Ali, 32 (-5)
2) Joe Louis, 30 (-3)
3) Larry Holmes, 20 (-5)
4) Lennox Lewis, 16 (-2)
5) Mike Tyson 13 (-4)
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Old 12-03-2012, 05:11 PM   #203
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Yeah its easy to say that after grant loses. He still beat tua and klitschko, he whoops golota right after golota destroyed bowe twice, who are better than anyone larry holmes or tyson beat. If lewis is a cherry picking heavyweight, who isnt one, answer that troll.

You want to downplay his wins over tua and vitali, or all the guys he beat in the 90s like akinwande, bruno, etc. Then tell me, who are you accusing him of dodging, the great john ruiz, chris byrd? Yeah you would give him so much credit for beating those guys, lol epic troll.
I'm a troll because I have an opinion? No thanks.

Lewis beat Tua yes. That's his best win! But what is David Tua? An underachiever who couldnt control his weight!
Lewis beat Vitali on a cut,was behind on points and retired after promising a rematch. And this is Vitali Klitschko,the same arm puncher who was beaten by Byrd. Lewis looked terrible beating Bruno and Bruno was a glass chinned rabid punching Brit who was Ko'd twice by Tyson.

Golota? HAha as if he was anything more than a mental patient who lost his biggest fights! Golota didnt destroy Bowe,he fouled himself out of 2 wins.

Tyson's win over Spinks,Holmes are better than Lewis whole career.
Tyson beat Prime Tucker (not the fat drug addict version Lewis fought)
Tyson beat Prime Ruddock twice,Berbick as well.

Holmes beat Shavers,Norton,Cooney and Holmes was old when he beat the same Ray Mercer that Lewis looked like shit against and nearly lost to.

Lummox Lewis retires after a mere 44 fights right as Vitali come along to challenge him! Compared to Dempsey,Foreman,Holmes,44 fights is barely a career.
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Old 12-03-2012, 05:13 PM   #204
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^ JoeCalzagheIsACoward
Slappy Joe is certainly a coward from wales.

And Lummox sponge cake chin Lewis is a cherry picking con man.

Even David Haye would have a good chance against Lummox.
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Old 12-03-2012, 05:18 PM   #205
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I'm a troll because I have an opinion? No thanks.

Lewis beat Tua yes. That's his best win! But what is David Tua? An underachiever who couldnt control his weight!
Lewis beat Vitali on a cut,was behind on points and retired after promising a rematch. And this is Vitali Klitschko,the same arm puncher who was beaten by Byrd. Lewis looked terrible beating Bruno and Bruno was a glass chinned rabid punching Brit who was Ko'd twice by Tyson.

Golota? HAha as if he was anything more than a mental patient who lost his biggest fights! Golota didnt destroy Bowe,he fouled himself out of 2 wins.

Tyson's win over Spinks,Holmes are better than Lewis whole career.
Tyson beat Prime Tucker (not the fat drug addict version Lewis fought)
Tyson beat Prime Ruddock twice,Berbick as well.

Holmes beat Shavers,Norton,Cooney and Holmes was old when he beat the same Ray Mercer that Lewis looked like shit against and nearly lost to.

Lummox Lewis retires after a mere 44 fights right as Vitali come along to challenge him! Compared to Dempsey,Foreman,Holmes,44 fights is barely a career.
Your discrediting his wins over tua, golota, klitscko, but your giving tyson all the credit for beating ruddock, a light heavyweight and an ancient holmes.

Your giving holmes credit for beating a mediocre shavers, old norton and a hyped prospect like cooney. Nice to see how objective you really are.

Lewis gets no credit for beatig holyfield when he was the freakin champ, but you give tyson and holmes credit for beating old hasbeens,
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Old 12-03-2012, 05:31 PM   #206
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[quote=McGrain;14324379]Not really.

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He beat him pretty clean both times. The first more cleanly than the second, but they are both clear iwns.
Yeah Lewis clinched and pawed all night. Many ringside observers and many people on this site thought Holyfield won the rematch. And Holyfield was an old man who had a heart defect!

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"...Lewis is 250 pounds, but as he demonstrated in his two fights with Evander Holyfield, his primary offensive weapons are a pawing left jab and a bear hug. As Holyfield phrased it after their first bout, “Every time I got in close he hugged me tighter than my wife.”

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Can you produce three ringside reports that say that Holyfield won? As your so good with the links and all.
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"...Lewis won a rematch with Holyfield to unify the title in Las Vegas, where nonpartisan judges were used, even though many felt the verdict was robbery in reverse. Holyfield took the fight to Lewis in virtually every round and stood strong the few times his opponent tried to get aggressive. Lewis' lackluster performance left his British minions, rowdily chanting at the [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] of the bout, silent at the end and shocked at the unanimous decision."


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Magni, who sparred with Lewis, ranked it as the second best jab he was ever in with, better than Holyfield, Foreman and Bowe. It was also Foreman who rated Lewis's jabbing performance against Tua "a masterlcass." But according to you, somehow more expert, it was a "glorified range finder".
In an interview from last year Shannon Briggs said the 48 year old Foreman hit harder than Lennox Lewis. I will post the interview if you like.


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no he didn't struggle with Mike Tyson you ****ing dummy. He won every round bar the first which was arguable. Mike was ranked #2 in the world at the time and i bet i'd pick him over more than half of Joe Louis's opponents on the night he met Lewis.
Lewis wanted the name on his resume. Tyson was ten years past his prime and Lewis needed 8 rounds to Finish Tyson while Danny Williams did it in 2 and Kevin McBride did it in 6. Emmanuel Steward is clearly shown yelling at Lewis telling him to "finish Tyson before he catches you with something." This happened since round 6 and Lewis needed 2 more rounds to put the corpse of Tyson down.



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I want you to know that I consider you to pathetic to ban. I want you to know that.
It's just an opinion sir. I bet we agree on a lot.Calm down. It's not as if Lummox is your family.
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Old 12-03-2012, 05:32 PM   #207
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Lewis beat Tua yes. That's his best win! But what is David Tua? An underachiever who couldnt control his weight!
But you pedal this like it is incontrovertible fact Vitali Klitschko and Old Holyfield would be my personal definite picks to beat the Tua that Lewis beat, and Lennox panned both of them. Others could certainly be in close fights with him. This idea you have that Tua is clearly the best fighter that Lewis beat is as far from left field as every other ****ing thing you write about him



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Golota? HAha as if he was anything more than a mental patient
Yeah, he was a bit more than that. You ****ing trolls. The shit you make me type.

Golota crumbled to Lewis for a reason.

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Tyson's win over Spinks,Holmes are better than Lewis whole career.
To be clear, you are picking Old Holmes to beat everyone Lewis faced? Spinks too?

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Lummox Lewis retires after a mere 44 fights right as Vitali come along to challenge him! Compared to Dempsey,Foreman,Holmes,44 fights is barely a career.
Yeah, which is why it's so incredible that he managed to inarguably cram so many top ten contenders into that career.

And you, you somehow have got it into your head that "he only beat two prime contenders" Your hatred or stupidity (hard to be sure which) know no bounds.
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Old 12-03-2012, 05:39 PM   #208
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Very hard to reply to your post because it is so badly quoted, but i will have a pop.



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Yeah Lewis clinched and pawed all night. Many ringside observers and many people on this site thought Holyfield won the rematch. And Holyfield was an old man who had a heart defect!

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Having trouble falling asleep? Try watching one of lackluster champion Lennox Lewis' fights. He'll knock you out without laying a glove on you.

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"...Lewis is 250 pounds, but as he demonstrated in his two fights with Evander Holyfield, his primary offensive weapons are a pawing left jab and a bear hug. As Holyfield phrased it after their first bout, “Every time I got in close he hugged me tighter than my wife.”
Yeah, you quoted this already. What I asked you for was some back up to your claim that "many ringsiders thought that Holyfield won the rematch. Won the rematch, not "didn't enjoy the fight" (like I give a ****).

There is at least one out there, see if you can add to it in support of your rather spurious claim.

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In an interview from last year Shannon Briggs said the 48 year old Foreman hit harder than Lennox Lewis. I will post the interview if you like.
Why? It doesn't address a single point that I raised. In fact you've literally side-stepped literally everything I asked you about. Why?


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Lewis wanted the name on his resume. Tyson was ten years past his prime and Lewis needed 8 rounds to Finish Tyson while Danny Williams did it in 2 and Kevin McBride did it in 6. Emmanuel Steward is clearly shown yelling at Lewis telling him to "finish Tyson before he catches you with something." This happened since round 6 and Lewis needed 2 more rounds to put the corpse of Tyson down.
And this is your version of "a struggle"?? Kicking solid **** out of him for 8 rounds with a broken hand? What's wrong with you?



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It's just an opinion sir. I bet we agree on a lot.Calm down. It's not as if Lummox is your family.
I don't have any fighters in my family. Whenever I see total trolls on this forum cherry-picking "facts" to run one of these people, not members of my family, I step in to correct them. Because it's ****ing embarrassing for ESB.
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Old 12-03-2012, 05:44 PM   #209
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'88 Holmes could beat Tua.

Lenny's got the two wins Tyson badly needed against Holyfield. I can't see them being considered as anything other than great, relative to HW history. Evander didn't look too hot against Bean, but he had throttled Moorer, held two of the three straps that qualified for undisputed status and was the #1 HW in the world. You can't just brush that off. Vitali is a great win due to a combination of Lewis being past it and out of shape plus it was against his immediate successor.
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Old 12-03-2012, 06:19 PM   #210
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An even older Holmes beat Mercer too, who gave Lewis hell.
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