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Old 12-04-2012, 02:34 AM   #16
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But some rounds ware like 10:7 10:8 for PAC which if you score
by points it should be officially more like a draw, at least half of the rounds
were very close and a personal taste (not based on real boxing knowledge)
is important in scoring to left or to right.

My personal taste is that a more offensive than defensive
fighter should win, hence PAC pressing and initiating the attack
is better than Maruez' passive/counter punching style
which more destroys action than initiate anything.

I think most judges see this the same way, that is why PAC is officially a clear winner.
Pac told, if he just wait for JMM the fight would be boring..
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Old 12-04-2012, 02:40 AM   #17
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This is in terms of rounds, when counting the points it would make the fights much closer because of the knockdowns.
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Old 12-04-2012, 02:55 AM   #18
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23 to 13 for....











Juan Manuel Marquezzzzzzzzzz!
wow 13 rounds for ESB's number 1 PACQUIAO hater. not bad.
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Old 12-04-2012, 03:01 AM   #19
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At the end of the day, Marquez has never OFFICIALLY won against Pacquiao.
Oh and Marquez got Knocked Down 4 Times OFFICIALLY.
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Old 12-04-2012, 03:14 AM   #20
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At the end of the day, Marquez has never OFFICIALLY won against Pacquiao.
Oh and Marquez got Knocked Down 4 Times OFFICIALLY.
Marquez beat Pac twice and he has a t-shirt and book to prove it so stop hating.
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Old 12-04-2012, 03:20 AM   #21
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But they fought 3 times and Marquez lost all three . Oh we get it...Marquez got robbed .
You're not as stupid as most of your previous posts indicated.
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Old 12-04-2012, 03:50 AM   #22
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But some rounds ware like 10:7 10:8 for PAC which if you score
by points it should be officially more like a draw, at least half of the rounds
were very close and a personal taste (not based on real boxing knowledge)
is important in scoring to left or to right.

My personal taste is that a more offensive than defensive
fighter should win, hence PAC pressing and initiating the attack
is better than Maruez' passive/counter punching style
which more destroys action than initiate anything.

I think most judges see this the same way, that is why PAC is officially a clear winner.
You're a Pactard that scored with rose colored glasses on.

1. Backstepping as Marquez was baiting Pacquiao to do does'nt translate to Marquez not being aggressive. Marquez was just as aggressive as Pacquiao.
You dont have to be constantly be coming foward to let your hands go with authority.
Marquez is not the typical backpeddler. He's not a pernell Whitaker type who's first thought would be defense and self preservation and not so much countering hard off of your opponents aggression.

Marquez countered Pacquiao repeatedly and aggressively everytime Pacquiao opened up on him, so dont give me this shit that Marquez was defensive.


Passive counterpunching???
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Old 12-04-2012, 04:04 AM   #23
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Divac, Pacquiao is the one who always initiate the action. If Pac just wait for JMM it will bore the people as Pac himself told..
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Old 12-04-2012, 04:04 AM   #24
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Why are you guys talking about this again and again?

I hope that the fourth fight would not be the same as the third one since there will be more and more arguements on who really won the fight on this forum again. Im just tired of seeing them.

If there is a clear winner in the fourth fight, then the unfinished business will be over. There won't be the 5th fight between both fighters.

I just hope that there won't be. No more please!
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Old 12-04-2012, 04:09 AM   #25
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i got juan 2 out of the 3 fights with the clearest victory in the triology being the 3rd with marquez the winner

something tells me marquez will be knocked down in this 4th fight but he will still easily win
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Old 12-04-2012, 04:51 AM   #26
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8-4
7-5
8-4

Very reasonable. 23-13.

It does give JMM a 1 point victory in the first and second fights, but a swing round here or there, and Pac comes out a one point victor. Hence why the first two are hotly debated.
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Old 12-04-2012, 05:00 AM   #27
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Hope Pac KO's JMM inside 5 to shut these crying bitches up
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Old 12-04-2012, 05:06 AM   #28
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Divac, Pacquiao is the one who always initiate the action. If Pac just wait for JMM it will bore the people as Pac himself told..
Clean effective punching is emphasized in scoring, as far as fight 3, it was'nt even close. Pacquiao landed hardly anything that was reallly hard and effective.

Initiating the action doe'snt win you points.

Pac did wait for JMM in the early rounds of fight 3, Marquez found himself leading and probing to the head and body with lead right and jabs to the body. Pacquiao could'nt counter it because Marquez wa'snt missing with his leads, he was landing them clean, clear, and effective.

Sorry bro, but you missed that boxing lesson!
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Old 12-04-2012, 05:08 AM   #29
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Hope Pac KO's JMM inside 5 to shut these crying bitches up
, Pactards said the same shit last year. Except their suppose ko of Marquez backfired by Pac getting his ass handed by an old man. Was a good day most Pactards ended up stfu.
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Old 12-04-2012, 05:12 AM   #30
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I'm always amazed by the rounds people give to Marquez - I'd love to know how people score rounds. If Pacquiao goes forward, throws 2 punches, 1 connects and 1 kind of but MArquez counters with a good punch Marquez will be seen to have won that duel by some. Why? Because he countered an open Manny - this to me is crazy - I don't know if it's because Marquez is the underdog so the anti-Pacquiao sentiment or whether it's because people like to pretend they understand the purist side of the sweet science so go for the "Chess player" rather than the brawler.

I've scored all 3 fights a number of times...the only fight my scoring is tough on is fight 3.

Fight 1: I scored this recently so it's clearer in my head. Same score again - 113-112 Pacquiao - basically as judge #1 should have scored it. Round 1 (obviously) and Round 2 were Pacquiao's. Marquez took the next 4 rounds, Pacquiao got round 7, he was busier and connected more - Marquez took 8 and Pacquiao came back in 9 and 10, no doubt. Marquez took the last 2 rounds...113-112. I could understand it given the other way by maybe a point! but when people say Marquez won it easily I have to laugh, people are scoring out of hate or boxing snobbery.

Fight 2: Can't recall round by round but scored it 114-113 to Pacquiao

Fight 3: This fight was the one Marquez had a real complaint - he alludes to that himself. He says the 3rd fight was the one that outraged him...in other words the first 2 fights he was crying for the sake of crying. As Roach said "Those fights were so close that if we had lost by a point, we wouldn't cry like Marquez cries"...but fight 3 he had a case - I scored it a draw watching live, and then scored it 115-113 to Marquez - 1 or 2 rounds though are very very tough to score...Marquez also gave away round 12, that cost him and that sums him up - back up back up, don't make the fight and then wonder why judges don't favour you?

In my eyes, Pacquiao won 2, Marquez won 1 and I think most unbiased people will score it similarly

Aggression counts, if you want to back pedal constantly and just wait for your opponent making mistakes and risking nothing yourself in taking the fight to your opponent, then you better win it fairly clearly...Marquez does not do that often enough.
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