Do you think Juan Manuel Marquez could give Mayweather a better fight in a rematch?

Dynamito_2012 · 12-04-2012, 01:05 PM

If Marquez does end up beating Pacquiao this time around, could he actually give Mayweather an even tougher fight?
If he beats Pacquiao, he would have nothing to prove any more, so he could go into a fight with Mayweather, wanting to become P4P best @ 147.

oibighead · 12-04-2012, 01:06 PM

No

Mayweather is just alot better than Marquez who is alot better than Pacquiao

shanahan14 · 12-04-2012, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by oibighead

No

Mayweather is just alot better than Marquez who is alot better than Pacquiao

Well that's a biased and stupid comment. Pac and Mayweather are clearly debatable when it comes to who is better. There are plenty of threads for that. Sure your opinion is better than everyone's I know I know.

Styles make fights. See De La Hoya v. Mayweather. Marquez v. Pacquiao. DLH was washed up against Mayweather but his style made the fight competitive. Same goes for Cotto-Mayweather.

tliang1000 · 12-04-2012, 01:09 PM

JMM could do better since he still got the hunger. I say he wins 2-3 rounds on rematch.

oibighead · 12-04-2012, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by shanahan14

Well that's a biased and stupid comment. Pac and Mayweather are clearly debatable when it comes to who is better. There are plenty of threads for that. Sure your opinion is better than everyone's I know I know.

Styles make fights. See De La Hoya v. Mayweather. Marquez v. Pacquiao. DLH was washed up against Mayweather but his style made the fight competitive. Same goes for Cotto-Mayweather.

Yeh I know

miniq · 12-04-2012, 01:13 PM

Styles make fights

Bogotazo · 12-04-2012, 01:27 PM

All signs point to him doing better, at the very least, slightly better.

klion22 · 12-04-2012, 01:38 PM

Without a doubt. His body was bloated when he fought Floyd. Now it's much more defined and muscular and better suited for the weight. But even more important, it's Mayweather's legs and reflexes that have slowed which will make it more competitive. The difference in footspeed was a huge factor in their first fight. Now Floyd's primarily a stationary fighter and there would be a lot more exchanges, which will give JMM more chances to land something.

But i still think Floyd would win about 8-4ish.

Mrtibbs · 12-04-2012, 01:44 PM

No.

Maybe 5% more competitive.

But thats all.

For me it shows the huuuuge gap between Pac and Floyd.

And if one person says styles make fights i will scream!!!

PityTheFool · 12-04-2012, 01:46 PM

I love Marquez but the truth is that Floyd is badly wrong for him,even allowing for better weight gain.Juanma has always performed better against come forward guys and when he's forced to take the initiative,it usually results in a hard fight.
Floyd would still pick him off at will and as a fan of both I have no desire to see this again,even though it might be slightly less emphatic second time around.

Boxed Ears · 12-04-2012, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by PityTheFool

I love Marquez but the truth is that Floyd is badly wrong for him,even allowing for better weight gain.Juanma has always performed better against come forward guys and when he's forced to take the initiative,it usually results in a hard fight.
Floyd would still pick him off at will and as a fan of both I have no desire to see this again,even though it might be slightly less emphatic second time around.

Yeah, this. Even if he does better, it will be so likely to be by such an utterly negligible amount that there's no point in it for either of them. And this assumption is why most people will not want to see it. We all get that he's wearing the weight better, but they're still essentially the same guys who are just a little older and match up exactly the same way.

klion22 · 12-04-2012, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Mrtibbs

No.

Maybe 5% more competitive.

But thats all.

For me it shows the huuuuge gap between Pac and Floyd.

And if one person says styles make fights i will scream!!!

Styles make fights.

klion22 · 12-04-2012, 02:00 PM

Floyd didn't let Cotto hit him just to give the fans a good fight. Lol. Cotto got to him because Floyd's legs are gone and he's mostly a stationary fighter now. And only because Ortiz is an overrated bum did Floyd look good in the pocket against him. But you put up someone decent against Floyd now and he's definitely hittable. He no longer posseses his amazing prime defense, which was based a lot on reflexes and his legs.

juice20 · 12-04-2012, 02:01 PM

He's adjusted to the weight better at this point, and seems to be aging well. But, it's still the same two guys. It's not like JMM made major errors in the fight that made the difference, he just got beat in every way. He'd probably win a few rounds, but lose 9-3 or 8-4 type thing. Floyd just does everything better. Unfortunately alot of things he does better are also JMM strengths. I don't enjoy admitting it, but its a fact.

Elite · 12-04-2012, 02:29 PM

Yes, why wouldn`t he? Highly doubt that the same gameplan is going to be used if they have a 2nd fight.

12-04-2012, 01:05 PM	#1
Dynamito_2012 Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: England Posts: 1,740 vCash: 500	Do you think Juan Manuel Marquez could give Mayweather a better fight in a rematch? If Marquez does end up beating Pacquiao this time around, could he actually give Mayweather an even tougher fight? If he beats Pacquiao, he would have nothing to prove any more, so he could go into a fight with Mayweather, wanting to become P4P best @ 147.
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12-04-2012, 01:06 PM	#2
oibighead G.O.A.T. East Side Guru Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: London Posts: 7,142 vCash: 75	Re: Do you think Juan Manuel Marquez could give Mayweather a better fight in a rematc No Mayweather is just alot better than Marquez who is alot better than Pacquiao
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tliang1000 Undisputed Champion East Side VIP Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 10,003 vCash: 79444	Re: Do you think Juan Manuel Marquez could give Mayweather a better fight in a rematc JMM could do better since he still got the hunger. I say he wins 2-3 rounds on rematch.
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miniq 移动像水 East Side Guru Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: England Posts: 5,029 vCash: 75	Re: Do you think Juan Manuel Marquez could give Mayweather a better fight in a rematc Styles make fights
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Bogotazo Amateur East Side VIP Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: New York Posts: 17,429 vCash: 294	Re: Do you think Juan Manuel Marquez could give Mayweather a better fight in a rematc All signs point to him doing better, at the very least, slightly better.
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12-04-2012, 01:38 PM	#8
klion22 Undisputed Champion East Side VIP Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 10,491 vCash: 4500	Re: Do you think Juan Manuel Marquez could give Mayweather a better fight in a rematc Without a doubt. His body was bloated when he fought Floyd. Now it's much more defined and muscular and better suited for the weight. But even more important, it's Mayweather's legs and reflexes that have slowed which will make it more competitive. The difference in footspeed was a huge factor in their first fight. Now Floyd's primarily a stationary fighter and there would be a lot more exchanges, which will give JMM more chances to land something. But i still think Floyd would win about 8-4ish.
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12-04-2012, 01:44 PM	#9
Mrtibbs Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 1,506 vCash: 1615	Re: Do you think Juan Manuel Marquez could give Mayweather a better fight in a rematc No. Maybe 5% more competitive. But thats all. For me it shows the huuuuge gap between Pac and Floyd. And if one person says styles make fights i will scream!!!
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12-04-2012, 01:46 PM	#10
PityTheFool Undisputed Champion East Side VIP Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Poorer place without Johnny Tapia Posts: 12,343 vCash: 211	Re: Do you think Juan Manuel Marquez could give Mayweather a better fight in a rematc I love Marquez but the truth is that Floyd is badly wrong for him,even allowing for better weight gain.Juanma has always performed better against come forward guys and when he's forced to take the initiative,it usually results in a hard fight. Floyd would still pick him off at will and as a fan of both I have no desire to see this again,even though it might be slightly less emphatic second time around.
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12-04-2012, 02:00 PM	#13
klion22 Undisputed Champion East Side VIP Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 10,491 vCash: 4500	Re: Do you think Juan Manuel Marquez could give Mayweather a better fight in a rematc Floyd didn't let Cotto hit him just to give the fans a good fight. Lol. Cotto got to him because Floyd's legs are gone and he's mostly a stationary fighter now. And only because Ortiz is an overrated bum did Floyd look good in the pocket against him. But you put up someone decent against Floyd now and he's definitely hittable. He no longer posseses his amazing prime defense, which was based a lot on reflexes and his legs.
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12-04-2012, 02:01 PM	#14
juice20 Journeyman ESB Jr Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Helping OJ find the "real" killers Posts: 186 vCash: 430	Re: Do you think Juan Manuel Marquez could give Mayweather a better fight in a rematc He's adjusted to the weight better at this point, and seems to be aging well. But, it's still the same two guys. It's not like JMM made major errors in the fight that made the difference, he just got beat in every way. He'd probably win a few rounds, but lose 9-3 or 8-4 type thing. Floyd just does everything better. Unfortunately alot of things he does better are also JMM strengths. I don't enjoy admitting it, but its a fact.
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12-04-2012, 02:29 PM	#15
Elite GOAT ESB Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: The World Posts: 1,028 vCash: 143	Re: Do you think Juan Manuel Marquez could give Mayweather a better fight in a rematc Yes, why wouldn`t he? Highly doubt that the same gameplan is going to be used if they have a 2nd fight.
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